Could the belief in god considered a mental illness ?

a reply to: JoseGarcia

Research has shown that the 'indiscriminate anti-religious' (typically atheists etc) are MOST prejudiced, hostile, angry, prone to violence etc.

Fake news.

originally posted by: JoseGarcia
a reply to: Lysergic

Sorry. I don't understand your reply.

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a reply to: gosseyn

If something "actually exists", then believing in it can't be considered a mental issue.

Personally, I am not a religious person, but consider this....

The Universe is "HUGE"..!!

Then there's the theoretical Multiverse.

To top that off, the possibility of many different dimensions in the space between the Universes.

In my opinion, in something this vast, anything that could exist, probably does exist...!!

Who knows what is out there or living in those dimensions, how old they are or how many civilizations like ours they have manipulated/guided/watched/destroyed.

Like I said, I personally am not a true believer in conventional religions.

But at the same time, who am I to say that those whom are, aren't actually right and if they are, then I could hardly call them crazy..!!

They way they choose to worship such entities however, could border on crazy, depending how fanatical they become about their beliefs.

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: booyakasha

That doesn't really make sense. You might as well say a scientist cant follow a particular religion because if they believe in Jesus being the son of god, and all other faith's are wrong, then they're closed minded about the truth of other religions.

Science and religion dont mix well because science is about quantifiable data, and religion is about a personal faith. They can both exist, but they're still separate.

well yeah a scientist that believes in Jesus is wrong. hahah

Thats the problem with science and why there needs to be a change.

Science and spirituality are the same thing. Religion has no place at all in existence, it is a dead end to keep people from finding the truth about consciousness.

Spirituality is the study of consciousness. Everything in existence is consciousness. Therefore mainstream science has become another false religion.

a reply to: gosseyn

This psychologist disagrees with your definition of mental illness.

It's logical to construe mental dysfunction on a continuum.

It is not logical to construe the whole continuum as significantly or seriously dysfunctional at every point on that continuum. Actually, that would be a lie, a fraudulent contention.

DYSFUNCTION is best understood in context. It has to do with significantly (enough to be worth noting) degrading or destroying function.

Destroying functioning of what?

Generally, mental dysfunction has to do with degrading or destroying the functioning

of the individual

--in his/her daily life as an individual--can they eat, clothe, work, personal hygiene, relate, dialogue, play, create etc. more or less effectively, successfully--more or less?

--in his/her daily primary reference group relationships--family, clubs, churches, extended family, at the gym, classes etc. Do they more or less get along with most of those people in a reasonable, balanced give & take relationship?

--in his/her work life--can they maintain a long term work record; more or less satisfy their employer & supervisors in terms of their output & the amount & quality thereof?

--in terms of his/her recreation, recharging, general health & fun arenas of their life--can they take care of themselves in this important sphere of their lives.

No one may be perfect or walk on water.

However, neither is everyone over the line into debilitating dysfunction.

The bell shaped curve reigns again.

And only those on the left, negative, dysfunctional 3rd standard deviation from the mean are the most dysfunctional. Some 2.5 or more standard deviations from the mean toward the dysfunctional end may well need some extra support or watching but if they are functioning more or less successfully in the above regions, they do not deserve to be classed as ready for a straight jacket.

All this does not deal with the whole issue of the globalist oligarchy & their governmental, professional & media stooges & shills arbitrarily DEFINING normal living factors as insane etc. etc. etc. Their goal being to render the whole populace totally dependent on the Marxist globalist oligarchy big brother tyranny for their very destroyed freedom existence.

Governmental, media, academia etc. DEFINING normal behavior as totally crazy does NOT MAKE it true.

a reply to: midicon

Throw in exorcism, angels, demons, saints, miracles, prophecy and I really do wonder at the state of humanity en masse. It sometimes feels as if this is nothing more than an open air asylum.

Both a testing ground/training center and a mental asylum from my point of view. If it was meant to be high awareness place where majority would be in high body bliss mode, then the souls that are connected thru entanglement to human bodies would be different.

a reply to: whereislogic

INDEED. Goebbelite propaganda does NOT = scientific truth.

What's the 'evolution' of truth?

1st stage: hostility e.g. to germ "theory."
2nd eventual initially grudging acceptance.
3rd Yeah, we knew it all along. And now, anything tarnishing this 'new truth' is heresy.

I think the following are worth some fair-minded consideration:

The classic HENRY M MORRIS PhD:

www.icr.org...

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SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AGAINST EVOLUTION

www.changinglives.org.au...

EVIDENCE:

1: The universe could NOT have created itself nor has it always existed.

2: The Second Law of Thermodynamics says No!

3: Living Things Never Arise from Non-living Things

4: Complex Systems do not evolve 'bit by bit'

5: The Missing Links are Still Missing

6: Mutations are contrary to Evolution

7: Probability laws are also contrary to Evolution I personally think this one alone is sufficient to destroy the whole fantasy of Evolution--particularly as we have found out more & more the incredible complexity of a single cell.]

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The Scientific Case Against Evolution

Evolution is Not Happening Now

Evolution Never Happened in the Past

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Debunking Evolution

Scientific evidence against evolution--the clash between theory and reality

"Evolution" mixes two things together, one real, one imaginary. People are shown the real part, which makes them ready to believe the imaginary part. That is how the idea of biological evolution has spread since 1859.

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creation.com...

CMI-New Zealand’s Shaun Doyle responds:

We can certainly offer some names: John Sanford, Maciej Giertych, CMI’s Robert Carter, James S. Allan, Matti Leisola, and Georgia Purdom are several PhD geneticists who have published in secular peer-reviewed journals and think DNA is a code that is best explained by a designer. In fact, they are all biblical creationists. I would recommend to you Dr Sanford’s book Genetic Entropy, and our book Evolution’s Achilles’ Heels, which may be of particular benefit to your son. Another book that may be beneficial to him, which is freely available online, but is not on our website, is Biological Information: New Perspectives.1 We certainly wouldn’t endorse all the perspectives offered in this book, but it provides some good information on population genetics and biological information that your son may find useful.

But this debate isn’t really about names; it’s about arguments. More specifically, it’s about the fact that mainstream science operates with a methodology that only accepts attempts to describe the origin of anything biological in terms of natural causes (physics and chemistry). For more information, please see Historical science and miracles. This is why he will not find articles in the secular biological literature arguing openly for a divine designer (see Creationism, Science and Peer Review for more information). If he doesn’t understand the different assumptions at play in this debate, and how they can constrain the interpretations of the evidence an investigator is willing to entertain, then he will fall quite easily for fallacious evolutionary arguments, such as equivocation. Why? Because of how they tend to construct their case.

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2 Major Scientific Evidences Against Evolution

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Science Against Evolution Official Home Page

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evolutionfacts.com...

SCIENTIFIC FACTS & EVOLUTION

21 SIMILARITIES: The theory of cross-species similarities as an evidence of evolution, is basic to evolution but is disproved by scientific facts

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biologywise.com...

BiologyWise

Arguments Against Evolution

After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort could not be proved to take place today, had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past.
~ Loren Eiseley (American anthropologist, educator and natural science writer)

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What exactly is the scientific evidence against evolution?

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evolutionnews.org...

EVOLUTION NEWS & SCIENCE TODAY

Celebrating Michael Behe’s Intelligent Design Revolution, Documentary Is Now Free Online!
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It can be documented that "evolution" has become a RELIGION with it's high priests, gate keepers etc. Thankfully, unfolding scientific discoveries--e.g. the incredible complexities of a single cell & the probabilities involved have helped to cast the religion of evolution into a more realistic, honest light.

Depends what your God is. If your God is big government, then yes religion can be seen as a mental illness. Throughout history, atheist government leaders have led to 93% of wars & death by wars.
carm.org...

People are considered to be "sane" if they go along with the shared delusions of the consensus. If you were the only one going on about a supernatural entity watching and controlling every aspect of your life, you'd be lucky not to be burned at the stake, or at least locked up or medicated for your own safety. But if you call it "God" then you're an upstanding member of society. And it's nearly a requirement if you want to be President.

My favorite part of religion is that you can buy indulgences to be able to sin and it not matter to God because of Money.

That's so convenient. I think there's even an app....

originally posted by: JBIZZ
Depends what your God is. If your God is big government, then yes religion can be seen as a mental illness. Throughout history, atheist government leaders have led to 93% of wars & death by wars.
carm.org...

Wow. I'm glad the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry compiled this totally unbiased and factual statistic. **hard eye roll**

a reply to: gosseyn
In modern history how many Amish are running around screaming God is great cutting heads off?

originally posted by: TzarChasm
Let's say that in utter secrecy and without any preparation, you are invited to a private worship session in a secluded location where a rapist/murderer/terrorist whose crimes you have seen firsthand is being held captive and your pastor hands you a gun. He says that God has chosen this little club, including your neighbors and friends, to deliver justice to filthy animals like this guy around the country, and now you're being recruited. No one will ever know anything except that you did what any patriotic servant of the lord would do. Send him to Jesus, he says. What do you do?

No one answered but I will explain my point anyway. Mental illness usually is defined by what behavior you can be talked into. If you are easily persuaded to engage in violent or cruel activity, you are probably unwell. If God is the person persuading you to use such tactics, you are probably experiencing a mental illness. There are millions who enjoy their higher power without being recruited as weapons in an army of righteousness. There are millions who are readily able to respectfully disagree if they encounter folks with an alternate point of view. So my conclusion is that spirituality is not a mental illness. Organized religion as an industry is also not mental illness or no more so than the oil business. But my research leads me to strongly consider the possibility that mental illness (and indeed, any form of severe handicap or disease) often brings people to use religion as a crutch. They need to know there's a reason for their struggle, that they don't suffer in vain just because they lost the cosmic lottery. They want to be able to tell their kids that it's all part of a plan and there's an incredible reward for the heroes who don't give up. It's part of the Maslow Pyramid, the sense of belonging and purpose and destination. Sometimes you just want to let people have their mirage in the middle of the ocean because it's easier than telling them they are going to drown. And that's religion in a paragraph.

Being discontent with this world and the agenda that is trying to flush out the individual return and reconnection back to God is already being considered a mental illness. Look at the never-ending commercials that sale you a pill to be happy and accept their reality that is being created for you. One can see the empty future reality that is being pushed - a global utopia of collectivists who will blindly accept an agenda of total control. One would be better off to fight against this and be labeled mentally ill.

originally posted by: gosseyn

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
The belief in you as a separate thing, is a mental illness.

The mind is full of you and time.

Mind is simply storytelling.

When there is no mind.... life is so simple.... it is just what actually is.

The mind does not see or hear.

Do you believe in a personal god that watches and listens ?

If there is no you as a separate thing....what is 'personal'?

The 'person' is an assumed separate thing...

What if there is just what is occuring with nothing separate doing it?

Seeing is happening yet there is a presupposing that there is someone doing seeing. Thought says 'I see'.....what is 'I'?

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Both a testing ground/training center and a mental asylum from my point of view. If it was meant to be high awareness place where majority would be in high body bliss mode, then the souls that are connected thru entanglement to human bodies would be different.

A few questions...

What is being tested and what is the training for? Also, who sets the test and judges the result?

What is 'high awareness' as compared to normal awareness...and what is 'high body bliss mode? I do know what bliss is but I have never encountered a 'high body'.

What is a 'soul' and how does it connect to the human body through entanglement?

To be honest I think you are just making stuff up and using nonsense buzz words that say absolutely nothing about anything. Of course they do say a lot about your mind set and character.

And all those atheists who killed millions and millions based on a political/philosophy, mentally ill?
Can’t just say believers when non believers do the same thing

originally posted by: Raggedyman
And all those atheists who killed millions and millions based on a political/philosophy, mentally ill?
Can’t just say believers when non believers do the same thing

What was the first thing that was believed?

And what requires no belief whatsoever?

The way I use "mental illness" on this thread and on others has almost nothing to do with the mainstream definition of mental illness. Our brain always tells story to itself. Everything is a lie, because everything goes through our brain. Colors don't really exist outside of our brain, but is that a visual hallucination, or is that the normal functioning of the brain ? It is indeed the normal functioning of the brain, it's extremely #ed-up, and yet we don't call this situation "mental illness" or "mental disorder" or whatever. There is nothing colorful about lightwaves, and yet our brain is full of different colors.

The natural state of our brain is to be full of false information, made-up information, information transformed beyond recognition. Next time someone speaks to you, take a second to realise that this person's vocal cords are just making the air between you and him vibrate, and until it reaches your ears and your brain, there is nothing but silence.

a reply to: gosseyn

But you cant just "use" the term mental illness to describe something totally different... like normal brain function.