Former Area 51 & CIA Employee Implies Tic Tac UFO Event Was A Classified Test

a reply to: tjocksteffe

Yes, because classified projects have so much evidence to be found. And what actual evidence is there of it being alien? Opinions don't make actual evidence.

a reply to: celltypespecific

You would never EXPECT them to. That doesn't mean they don't. New systems are frequently added to exercises or tested against live systems beyond what testing areas can do.

a reply to: celltypespecific

But you don't give them absolute belief that they're infallible. Just because he's "a pilot with more than 2,000 hours" doesn't mean he knows everything the military or DARPA is doing, or what new tech is out there. His opinion may be better informed as to the way FLIR works, but that doesn't make people on the internet any less informed.

a reply to: celltypespecific


You do realize that some of the people you are attempting to stick that quote on in this thread have actual/real time in the field observing and/or work in and around aviation and hardly fit the 'arm chair" moniker???

originally posted by: FredT
a reply to: celltypespecific


You do realize that some of the people you are attempting to stick that quote on in this thread have actual/real time in the field observing and/or work in and around aviation and hardly fit the 'arm chair" moniker???

Yes FredT I do realize that.
I am not applying that quote to everyone in this thread.

I cant get excited about UFO's/UAP's that look EXACTLY like radar targeting balloons.
It's also of note that it was in fact an "armchair expert"- not a pilot - who originally pointed out the similarities between the EWT and targeting balloons.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: celltypespecific

But you don't give them absolute belief that they're infallible. Just because he's "a pilot with more than 2,000 hours" doesn't mean he knows everything the military or DARPA is doing, or what new tech is out there. His opinion may be better informed as to the way FLIR works, but that doesn't make people on the internet any less informed.

Well, an experienced pilot knows the normal protocols for testing new technology.
So when he says it wasnt a test, maybe it is wise to listen to him.

In fact, the pilots were asked if they had live ordnance onboard (they didnt) and were given a "real world tasking" from the Operations officer to go and investigate the objects that had come up on the radar.

a reply to: tjocksteffe

But he actually said you don't EXPECT there to be a test without them being told, not that it never happens.

The greatly esteemed former editor of Jane's Defense Weekly Nick Cook, as to why the Tic-Tac is not "ours":

1. If you want to keep something secret, you typically don't test it in front of 6,000 Navy sailors and potential eyewitnesses.


2. After 15-years of your secret technology being virtually unknown, you then don't typically blast it all over the front page of The New York Times and make images of it readily available to anyone all over the world on YouTube.

3. If it's "your's", you typically wouldn't organize a wide-spread disinformation campaign for the very secret technology no one was previously talking about, including requiring multiple different U.S. government agencies and individuals to publicly lie to the tax paying, and voting constituent, general public. Including, as we now know, AFOSI saying it's not classified technology.

www.coyotestail.com...

a reply to: celltypespecific

Unless you're talking about a system that's going to be in general use in the not distant future. They're not going to tell what it is because it's still classified. It's far from the first time something black has been openly leaked and then lied about.

a reply to: celltypespecific

Psyop for as-yet-undertimined-purposes is still near--if not the top--of the list for what we're looking at.

The premise of this OP coming in right after it.

Nick Cook is not infallible as we know and he doesn't have the connections he has without being willing to keep some things secret.

Has Tyler Rogoway revisited the subject in the last few months that you know of cellty?

a reply to: The GUT

Yes...Tyler and colleagues published the "NEMESIS" hypothesis. However, this does not account for the eyewitness accounts:

www.thedrive.com...

a reply to: celltypespecific

Sure it does. Any kind of speed reading as it was moving would have to come from radar. NEMESIS is designed to spoof radar and give false readings. It could easily spoof high rates of speed and false targets. Anyone watching visually is going to see an object move away fast, but wouldn't know how fast.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: celltypespecific

Sure it does. Any kind of speed reading as it was moving would have to come from radar. NEMESIS is designed to spoof radar and give false readings. It could easily spoof high rates of speed and false targets. Anyone watching visually is going to see an object move away fast, but wouldn't know how fast.

Eyewitness as in what Lt. Commander David Fravor and three other pilots observed when they visually encountered the Tic-Tac. Nemesis cannot account for this.

a reply to: celltypespecific

You know this for a fact? You know exactly what it's capable of and what it consists of?

If NEMESIS is now in the public domain- we know for a fact it doesn't represent current total capability.

Because we don't know total capability- test/unwitting discovery of classified technology MUST be included in the possibilities even though the Pilot testimony is compelling.


Because the feathery friends are involved - there a possbilitiy this is pilot misidentification combined with some system glitches and 10 + years of rumour mongering that has had the "treatment".

The difference this time round- is there are 2 people involved who are definitively provable as real or not real ,who have implied credibility and are seemingly backed by whoever is in charge - and they have their cocks on the block.

Justice is almost certainly real and here he is....in a private company professing to back engineer an alien spaceship from a sample within investor life-spans.

Then we have the peerless polymath Salvatore Pais who appeared from behind a rock, with little or no academic collaboration or track record - to solve humanities woes (or create more -depending upon perspective).


In all likelihood we'll never know for sure what happened 15 years ago with the Nimmitz- but time will surely tell whether Justice is nuts or whether the Navy really has a secretive 10* Einstein beavering away behind the green door.

a reply to: Jukiodone

The individual who shot "Tic-Tac" video speaks and makes it very clear that it was not a classified test or NEMESIS:

The thing that stood out to me the most was how erratic it was behaving. And what I mean by “erratic” is that its changes in altitude, air speed, and aspect were just unlike things that I’ve ever encountered before flying against other air targets. It was just behaving in ways that aren’t physically normal. That’s what caught my eye. Because, aircraft, whether they’re manned or unmanned, still have to obey the laws of physics. They have to have some source of lift, some source of propulsion. The Tic Tac was not doing that. It was going from like 50,000 feet to, you know, a hundred feet in like seconds, which is not possible.

And it was doing that during your engagement too? Yes. That was the thing that was the most interesting to me: how erratic this thing was If it was obeying physics like a normal object that you would encounter in the sky — an aircraft, or a cruise missile, or some sort of special project that the government didn’t tell you about — that would have made more sense to me. The part that drew our attention was how it wasn’t behaving within the normal laws of physics. You’re up there flying, like, “Okay. It’s not behaving in a manner that’s predictable or is normal by how flying objects physically move.”

nymag.com...

a reply to: celltypespecific

That he knows of. You seem to think that because he's military he knows everything they're up to. Just because he's a pilot doesn't mean that he knows every black project in existence. There's a reason they're called Special Access Programs. DARPA could easily have a new propulsion system in testing that he's never going to know of.

a reply to: Zaphod58

DoD and their contractors are highly compartmentalized. Left hand doesn’t know what right hand is doing. Much less folks in the field.