What Happened to God?

a reply to: Blue Shift

Matthew 12:46-50
46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with these verses, as Jesus always referred to his disciples and believers as brothers and sisters. He said they would all become children of God making them his spiritual siblings when they get to heaven.

Jesus was pointing out that his earthly family won't be holding any special status in heaven. They will all be considered children of God when they get to heaven.

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: StallionDuck

The victims had free will too.

The victim has free will in whether they choose to forgive or not, which was one of Jesus’s main messages along with love thy enemy and pray for them. Something that is very difficult if not impossible at times for me.

I do admit there are many confusing and seemingly contradictory quotes in the bible, but the New testament is supposed to be the new law. Yet the New testament also says “no greater love does man have than to lay down his life for a brother”, yet at the same time saying if someone strikes you , turn the other cheek.

“ Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us” is a huge part of the Lord’s prayer.

Forgiveness is not easy ! 😔

a reply to: Sheye

If it weren’t for the many miracles through the Holy Spirit and the lives of great mystics like Saint Pio from Italy, I doubt I would be a believer.

Really? That's kind of sad. Have you not witnessed the Holy Spirit working regularly in your own individual life?

John 20:26-29

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: StallionDuck

The victims had free will too.

Of course but do their actions cause the actions of the person committing a crime against them? Kinda like saying, wrong place, wrong time.

What about deformities in babies? They have free will (when they're older) but it may have had nothing to do with the deformity.

Though, maybe you can say it was something the parent ingested. Like I mentioned, can of worms

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Sheye

If it weren’t for the many miracles through the Holy Spirit and the lives of great mystics like Saint Pio from Italy, I doubt I would be a believer.

Really? That's kind of sad. Have you not witnessed the Holy Spirit working regularly in your own individual life?

John 20:26-29

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

I haven’t touched the wounds of Jesus , but believe they were manifested in the Stigmata of Saint Pio... He was a true disciple of Jesus. How sad you can’t recognize the Holy Spirit in a man like Saint Pio. I have questions like most, but I have believed without seeing for many years.

I find it odd that you choose to put me down instead of addressing all the quotes I made from Jesus on division of family. Anything to say about the quotes I posted ?

a reply to: StallionDuck

The truth is that God is whatever you want him to be.

I always think that perhaps it's best if we just tend to ourselves. Observe ourselves as we go about our daily lives,then we might learn a little about ourselves. That's why you don't have to go anywhere to find God. If God is true, then he is right here.

a reply to: Sheye

I find it odd that you choose to put me down instead of addressing all the quotes I made from Jesus on division of family. Anything to say about the quotes I posted ?

I did that on the previous page.

Catholics put too much emphasis on mystics and saints, which isn't biblical. Practicing mysticism is a sin.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Sheye

I find it odd that you choose to put me down instead of addressing all the quotes I made from Jesus on division of family. Anything to say about the quotes I posted ?

I did that on the previous page.

Catholics put too much emphasis on mystics and saints, which isn't biblical. Practicing mysticism is a sin.

Speaking of biblical, you didn’t address the biblical quotes I quoted on Jesus saying he came to bring division to families. You put out your opinion on why he referred to his followers as brothers and sisters , but in no way did you actually address the quotes I directly made from the bible on division of family.

Nice try at sliding out of accountability on your words.

By the way there have been many mystics in the history of Christianity. How sad you can’t see how the Holy Spirit manifested in their lives.

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Sheye

I find it odd that you choose to put me down instead of addressing all the quotes I made from Jesus on division of family. Anything to say about the quotes I posted ?

I did that on the previous page.

Catholics put too much emphasis on mystics and saints, which isn't biblical. Practicing mysticism is a sin.

No, you didn’t address the biblical quotes I quoted on Jesus saying he came to bring division to families. You put out your opinion on why he referred to his followers as brothers and sisters , but in no way did you actually address the quotes I directly made from the bible on division of family.

Nice try at sliding out of accountability on your words.

By the way there have been many mystics in the history of Christianity. How sad you can’t see how the Holy Spirit manifested in their lives.

What did you not understand about my response? Here, I'll post it again...

Those who come to "the knowledge of the truth" won't have these problems as long as all of them are believers. Unfortunately, most people don't turn to God until their lives are filled with trouble, chaos and/or division and they need help. We're to call on Jesus for that help.

As for Saint Pio, it's not always the Holy Spirit that manifests things into people's lives. The fact that he lived a long life of illness tells me there was something wrong with his practices. Then when I read that he had such a high reverence for the virgin Mary, then I know there's a serious problem. Saying the rosary and praying to Mary is a sure way to back slide and ask for other spiritual entities to enter your life besides the Holy Spirit.

a reply to: Deetermined

Then when I read that he had such a high reverence for the virgin Mary, then I know there's a serious problem. Saying the rosary and praying to Mary is a sure way to back slide and ask for other spiritual entities to enter your life besides the Holy Spirit.

Both the Holy Virgin Mary and Saint Pio have you in their prayers. They are both assuredly in heaven and our destiny is still unknown.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Sheye

I find it odd that you choose to put me down instead of addressing all the quotes I made from Jesus on division of family. Anything to say about the quotes I posted ?

I did that on the previous page.

Catholics put too much emphasis on mystics and saints, which isn't biblical. Practicing mysticism is a sin.

I don't follow. How do Catholics emphasise on mystics and saints? Mystics? Didn't disciples and the prophets of God get divine information? Visions?

The Saints are disciples that are asked to intervene. No, they're not worshipped like many believe. They are remembered for their actions, just as the disciples are remembered. They are holy and belong to God.

a reply to: Sheye

Heaven is inside you.

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: Sheye

Heaven is inside you.

The Holy Spirit can dwell inside of you but make no mistake about God being in charge. We humans don’t get to decide what God is.. that’s His call and we are merely His creation.

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: Deetermined

Then when I read that he had such a high reverence for the virgin Mary, then I know there's a serious problem. Saying the rosary and praying to Mary is a sure way to back slide and ask for other spiritual entities to enter your life besides the Holy Spirit.

Both the Holy Virgin Mary and Saint Pio have you in their prayers. They are both assuredly in heaven and our destiny is still unknown.

While Mary may be in heaven, she holds no special status there and does not answer prayers that only Jesus can do. That's why praying to Mary is such a waste of time, and a sin.

You might want to read up more on "Saint Pio". It sounds like he might not have lived the life of a saint after all and the things he said and did were controversial.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: StallionDuck

I don't follow. How do Catholics emphasise on mystics and saints? Mystics? Didn't disciples and the prophets of God get divine information? Visions?

Receiving divine dreams and visions isn't the same as Saint Pio communicating with or channeling angels or focusing on his own personal consciousness instead of using contemplative prayer or scripture.

a reply to: Deetermined

While Mary may be in heaven, she holds no special status there and does not answer prayers that only Jesus can do. That's why praying to Mary is such a waste of time, and a sin.

You might want to read up on what the Rosary actually is. We are not praying TO Mary but asking her to pray WITH us and for us.The Rosary is a complete meditation on the life of Christ, and Mary ALWAYS points to her Son for salvation.

I have read a few books on Padre Pio now canonized a saint. I doubt misconstrued info from the wiki page will change my mind. He was also a fighter against corruption in the Vatican and was forbidden to say mass for awhile because of it.

a reply to: Sheye

You might want to read up on what the Rosary actually is. We are not praying TO Mary but asking her to pray WITH us and for us.

What part did you not understand in the Bible about the fact that the ONLY mediator between God and man was Jesus. Neither Mary OR the saints are mediators to get to Jesus. It's pointless and it opens the door to unfamiliar spirits that can lead you astray.

a reply to: Deetermined

You might want to read up more on "Saint Pio". It sounds like he might not have lived the life of a saint after all and the things he said and did were controversial.

Instead of offering a link to Wiki, how about detailing your charges here? We can fact check you later if need be.


Did the disciples lead saintly lives prior to meeting Jesus? Jonah was a pretty bad example of being saintly yet he was used by God. Those aren't the only examples.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Sheye

You might want to read up on what the Rosary actually is. We are not praying TO Mary but asking her to pray WITH us and for us.

What part did you not understand in the Bible about the fact that the ONLY mediator between God and man was Jesus. Neither Mary OR the saints are mediators to get to Jesus. It's pointless and it opens the door to unfamiliar spirits that can lead you astray.

Let’s just agree to disagree. We are obviously not going to change each others view points so lets just be patient and let Jesus tell us who was right if and when we make it to heaven through his grace.

You’re in my prayers 💞

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: StallionDuck

I don't follow. How do Catholics emphasise on mystics and saints? Mystics? Didn't disciples and the prophets of God get divine information? Visions?

Receiving divine dreams and visions isn't the same as Saint Pio communicating with or channeling angels or focusing on his own personal consciousness instead of using contemplative prayer or scripture.

How do you know that is discriminatory of his beliefs? In his OWN words:

"The person who meditates and turns his mind to God, who is the mirror of his soul, seeks to know his faults, tries to correct them, moderates his impulses, and puts his conscience in order."

Guess that makes you the mind and thoughts of God?

We can go on for days about discrepancies on either side of this coin... days and maybe longer. You don't want to go on about contradictions. Glass house and all.

Can't you accept that God's wisdom and matters are far beyond what you could fathom? Who pretends to know the mind of God? Who can say what he has put into motion in the 2000 years since Jesus. You, I, nor anyone would have the slightest idea how many people have been used by God and for what purpose.

Bet you have all the answers?