Debunkers: You've lost credibility and will continue to lose

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Hunkadinka

ALL governments lie, they have to. They're not going to divulge details that may put them at risk. But they're not lying about UFOs because governments, like us, don't know anything special. They've learned what they know from us, from the possibly thousands of file cabinets stuffed with reports from the 1940s on. Throw in emulsion films: stills and movies, videos, and digital files. We are the governments' source. So how do you come up with a 100% admission? No one has exposed anything UFOlogy-wise that we can take to the bank. The worst scenario was the alleged claims that NASA doctored photos. Some of the claims are true but no one has explained the certainty.

If you actually bothered to do just a little research on the subject, you eould know governments lie about ufos! Be it coming out with stupid explanations for various cases, to missing or suppressed information on certain cases!

Seriously! Actually do some research!

I got a kick out of that one too. "Governments lie, just not about UFO's". Funniest thing I have read in decades.

I know! But he knows better than everyone lol

The government denies aliens exist, and the military says aliens exist, but can't talk about it.

Who do you think owns/pays our military?

It's all a ruse.

a reply to: turbonium1

and the military says aliens exist,

They do?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1

and the military says aliens exist,

They do?

They've shown photos, or they've said photos have alien craft in them, no?

a reply to: turbonium1

No. Not that I'm aware of.

All those reports mention them saying it, anonymously, right?

The reports are faked, then?

Why are people demanding the government 'disclosure' of aliens, all the time?

a reply to: turbonium1

Oh, I see. You think "unidentified" means alien.

a reply to: Hunkadinka

I find it ironic a debunker would even use the word "irrefutable" in any of their discourse considering the very fact debunkers never provide irrefutable evidence contravening verified UAP reports. That is truly the definition of irony.

As an aside why are you repeating what I already wrote regarding governments? Are you new to the topic of Ufology? You seem to be behind in your knowledge of the topic.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1

Oh, I see. You think "unidentified" means alien.

No, I certainly don't think so. Aliens don't exist, they are myth, created by the slimy rulers who want us living in fear, and chaos, so we'll ask for the slime to protect us from alien threats that don't exist. Look around and see it in action, already. It will get far worse, in future, sadly.

That's an interesting perspective all your own. My counter point, believers never had any credibility when they make unbelievable claims and emotional arguements.

I like UFOs and aliens and the whole areana, it's fun and interesting to explore. the further one researches, the further the truth seems from all the conjecture.

Wild claims or implied claims like those random blob of what 5 pixels? show ALIEN CRAFTs makes understanding or discussing the topic less than fruitful.



a reply to: Visiting ESB

LOL I had given up on my own thread then I wake up and here it is..

a reply to: turbonium1

Because they demand the government do their thinking for them?

originally posted by: Visiting ESB
LOL I had given up on my own thread then I wake up and here it is..

Bragging about a drive-by?

originally posted by: odzeandennz
There's no UFOs .

Because we don't know what they are, doesn't make aliens.
The last people you should trust are the navy or government..


Where are thise ufo? It seems as video technologies advance we mysteriously see less ufos

Ok so lets say they arent aliens, then who are they?
And with they, i mean the what/whoever flies these craft. Cause they sure as hell are craft, they sure as hell are operates by intelligent beings and they sure as hell aint piloted by humans. Cause no normal Human body can deal with this kinds of movement at such speeds. We would be crushed like flies on a windshield.

So, of it aint is, if it aint aliens, who is piloting these things then? Cause one thing is for sure, they are technologically engineered vehicles piloted by intelligent creatures. There’s no denying that, if you’d seen those videos

originally posted by: Majic

originally posted by: Visiting ESB
LOL I had given up on my own thread then I wake up and here it is..

Bragging about a drive-by?

lol no actually this thread seemed dead in the water the first day or so and I forgot about it, along with work commitments. I'll try to respond to some of this later, but it IS the weekend...and ET can wait for the moment...

originally posted by: Rick26

originally posted by: odzeandennz
There's no UFOs .

Because we don't know what they are, doesn't make aliens.
The last people you should trust are the navy or government..


Where are thise ufo? It seems as video technologies advance we mysteriously see less ufos

Ok so lets say they arent aliens, then who are they?
And with they, i mean the what/whoever flies these craft. Cause they sure as hell are craft, they sure as hell are operates by intelligent beings and they sure as hell aint piloted by humans. Cause no normal Human body can deal with this kinds of movement at such speeds. We would be crushed like flies on a windshield.

So, of it aint is, if it aint aliens, who is piloting these things then? Cause one thing is for sure, they are technologically engineered vehicles piloted by intelligent creatures. There’s no denying that, if you’d seen those videos

Anything intelligent and non-human that controls/directs non-understood craft is probably, by definition, alien. So it IS alien controlled. These aren't human-made or piloted and they exhibit intelligent responses. So, the weight of the evidence leans heavily towards something we have no understanding of. It's time we stop denying it and start investigating WHO they are...not WHETHER they exist...

originally posted by: Rob808
That's an interesting perspective all your own. My counter point, believers never had any credibility when they make unbelievable claims and emotional arguements.

I like UFOs and aliens and the whole areana, it's fun and interesting to explore. the further one researches, the further the truth seems from all the conjecture.

Wild claims or implied claims like those random blob of what 5 pixels? show ALIEN CRAFTs makes understanding or discussing the topic less than fruitful.



a reply to: Visiting ESB

Well-trained and sober US Navy pilots are credible and they are NOT making an unbelievable or emotional claim. Others who never had beliefs in this area prior to their sighting or contact are credible as well. In court, a credible witness is often all that's required to prove a case.

Your basis for your opinion is founded on what exactly? So far a speck of 5 pixels moving differently than things you're accustom to seeing from the perspective shown means... intelligent aliens controlling craft??????

Please don't persue a career as a lawyer....

a reply to: Rick26

There claim is they don't know what it is... you jump to aliens. That is the distinction you are failing to see.


a reply to: Visiting ESB