U.S. Fighting Back Against China is Having a Profound Global Ripple Effect.

a reply to: strongfp

The US had plenty of opportunity to figure out their system of capitalism wasnt sustainable.

LOL if we've learned anything over the last 30 years it's that creeping socialism isn't sustainable.

And it's all coming crashing down now

Capitalism is crashing down now? Really? Here I thought we were at record low unemployment, the most employed people of working age in over a decade, wage growth we haven't seen since before the recession, etc. Sometimes I wonder why you guys are so deluded and unattached from reality.

and they want to drag everyone down with them until its back to what they want.

We're not dragging anyone down, we're only lifting them up.

Because Germany, and China have been on a steady rise while the US struggles?

Oh my. China has been on the rise since we began treating them as a normal country rather than a brutal dictatorship. Germany has been on the plateau. The US only 'suffered' during the obama years really, under his 'new normal' of little to no growth.

If you want jobs and industry to return, put more power into the workers hands, and voices and stop letting the overly greedy CEOs and board members dictate the decisions for their interests only.

lol ok karl. How'd that go in venezuela? How's it working out in cuba and north korea?

Former presidents were interested in continuing to push prices down for consumer goods via cheap labor - e.g. China.

This was in exchange for looking the other way when it comes to knocking off our IP, or flat out stealing our IP.

Current admin doesn’t care about the cheap manufacturing - we have substitutes.

This isn’t an economic play. It’s a political play. And for national security interests. That’s it.

a reply to: Dfairlite

Capitalism evolves and changes. Its fallen and risen back into new forms many times. Deal with it.

Also I never mentioned once about socialism. You're just in hysterics because I mentioned the current system in the us is falling down.

Yeah, the us is headed for collapse. Anyone who isn’t seeing it is ignoring plenty real markers, don’t even know why anyone buys official stats anymore. Fully 20% of working age people are not employed, but unemployment is under 4%? Ok. Personal and national debt skyrocketing but we’re doing better than ever? Ok, whatever. Massive social unrest because were all doing so well. Those usually go hand in hand.

We have a financialized, deindustrialized economy where the largest employers are low paying service sector jobs with gig style job structures, limited hours and benefits at the same time education, housing, and healthcare are far more expensive than ever before. And we’re the deluded ones? Sure.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Dfairlite

Capitalism evolves and changes. Its fallen and risen back into new forms many times. Deal with it.

Also I never mentioned once about socialism. You're just in hysterics because I mentioned the current system in the us is falling down.

Yeah but I think you could argue it’s not...

One thing to consider is that most people can get most things they need - that’s more true now than it ever has been.

Does that mean everyone gets all that they want? No. Does it mean there aren’t more/less prosperous people? No.

I do think that disparities are more visible now thanks to the Internet/social media which is being exploited by the class warfare politicians.

Think of it this way - 30 years ago you go your news via the paper or monthly magazines. You had a couple of national news hours on major, national networks. You weren’t glued to a puter or your phone. You had places you went where you were around like minded individuals. You were aware of people in different circumstances, but it wasn’t in your face. As a result, people could be pretty ok with their lives and circumstances and surround themselves with real people who made up their real-life community.

Did that mean that the divide didn’t exist then? Nope - it just wasn’t in-your-face and weaponized.

So maybe the system was failing then - and we just didn’t know it.

a reply to: pexx421

And yet you ignore it took heavy government intervention to achieve what's currently going on.

If a deal with China doesnt benefit the US it will become stagnant and complacent for such a system to keep it a float. Once again, capitalism changing.

a reply to: pexx421

Did you know that in China, suicide nets were installed above the entrances to Apple's multi-story assembly plant?

(They were installed to protect workers coming/going...not to save the life of the person who jumps. They often still break their neck and die.)

U.S. jobs aren't bad at all, by comparison.

a reply to: strongfp

I never mentioned socialism either.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: pexx421

And yet you ignore it took heavy government intervention to achieve what's currently going on.

If a deal with China doesnt benefit the US it will become stagnant and complacent for such a system to keep it a float. Once again, capitalism changing.

Am I ignoring it? Or are you ignoring that there has been heavy corporate intervention to achieve what’s going on?
And why would a trade deal not be beneficial? Trade is what makes economies grow. However, I think the us tends to find any trade deal that’s not predatory and exploitative to be a failure. Mutually beneficial is not in their vocabulary, and often the goal of our trade deals are specifically to keep other nations from modernizing or growing.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: pexx421

Did you know that in China, suicide nets were installed above the entrances to Apple's multi-story assembly plant?

(They were installed to protect workers coming/going...not to save the life of the person who jumps. They often still break their neck and die.)

U.S. jobs aren't bad at all, by comparison.

Aren’t the military branches us jobs? Because our military has very high suicide rates as well. Also doesn’t the us have among the highest sex slave trade? I bet those sex slaves hate their jobs. And what are we really talking about here anyway? Isn’t apple an American company? Our jobs here are just dying to treat us like third world employees, and only the government is holding them back, though that’s being rapidly deregulated by trumps administration.

a reply to: Dfairlite

You were implying it. Dont lie.

a reply to: pexx421

Yea trade. And the US is playing the victim right now. Because other nations are thriving again while the US is loosing their grip on them.

The US economy is so strong it needs to learn to not use China and Europe anymore. I already mentioned this earlier, it's time to move on and make new deals.

a reply to: strongfp

We should be using our own labor, earning our own taxes. Far as I’m concerned, if a company based itself outside the us to avoid paying us labor and taxes, then they should be cut off from all subsidies and benefits as well. They’re no longer American companies.

Also, I see no benefit for the American people to have to pay for businesses to relocate so that we can continue to lose our manufacturing and such. Though, upon reflection, us paying to industrialize and pave Vietnam does seem to be poetic.

a reply to: pexx421

You're right. And perhaps the US should look to countries line Denmark and Germany where workers hands are in more decisions but are very capitalist.

If the US wants to be more protectionist, that's fine. But dont drag others down and pull off a political temper tantrum.

a reply to: strongfp

As were you.