The United Kingdom doesn’t exist.

originally posted by: funbobby
a reply to: Forensick

When you live in a country where the people don't have free speech or the right to bear arms why would the government actually respect the will of the people?

We have free speech and if I really wanted to I could own a gun.

Please take your ignorant Brit-bashing and shove it.

originally posted by: funbobby
a reply to: Forensick

When you live in a country where the people don't have free speech or the right to bear arms why would the government actually respect the will of the people?

We have both in Britain. You obviously do not know a thing about this country.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

The UK will have to erect a hard border,

No they won't. Teresa May and Boris Johnson have both said they will never put up a hard border. Until The UK does then i have nothing to disbelieve.

At last the Irish PM has now admitted that they are the ones who will erect a border. On instruction from The EU.

The words right out of his mouth.

On the subject of this 'Hard Border' my simple view, this is important for the EU to be intransigent with.......they need to send the signal to other EU members who are also waiting with baited breath to see what happens when we leave, and therefore how it will affect them....there will be 'Berlin Wall's' popping up all over Europe.
Varadkar is just a puppet of the EU
Just my penny worth

Rainbows
Jane

All this talk about Britain being undemocratic, when was it ever democratic?

What, for instance, is democratic about mass immigration?

I never voted for that. Did you?

Everyone's in a panic about slowing down global warming.

Will filling the country up with people help or hinder that?

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Maybe you could own a gun in theory, but you don't actually own one or have a right to own one do you?
If your country has "hate speech" laws then you don't actually have the right to free speech, does your country have hate speech laws?

So in reality British people have neither the right to bear arms nor the right to free speech. You seem to be in denial, these are facts. I can see where believing you have a right to free speech can cause cognitive dissonance when faced with the reality of people being arrested for speech crimes.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Nope, British subjects have not had the right to bear arms for a long time, and when they did it was limited only to Protestants. The right to keep and bear arms is not legally or constitutionally protected in the United Kingdom. Also you don't have a right to free speech since you have "hate speech" laws that create criminal penalties for that which is deemed offensive speech. The only speech that the freedom of speech is needed to protect is offensive speech so without offensive speech being protected there is not free speech.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

The UK will have to erect a hard border,

No they won't. Teresa May and Boris Johnson have both said they will never put up a hard border. Until The UK does then i have nothing to disbelieve.

At last the Irish PM has now admitted that they are the ones who will erect a border. On instruction from The EU.

The words right out of his mouth.

Did you actually watch the clip? He was talking about regulatory alignment as being the best way to avoid a hard border. And that regulatory alignment is a part of the WA. A no-deal Brexit would remove any regulatory alignment.
Why is it that Leavers always blame the EU for the problems that a no-deal Brexit would result in? Do they just hate reality or are they as delusional as that nasty piece of work Dominic Cummings?
Let's chant it all together people - Brexit is not easy. Anyone who thinks that it could ever be easy is either lying to you or is delusional. The options about NI are as I listed earlier.

a reply to: funbobby

Away you and stop talking pish

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

A no-deal Brexit would remove any regulatory alignment

Correct.

And the EU can be as much to blame for a " No Deal " as The UK.

So if The EU won't renegotiate a deal, they are the ones who will make it collapse. They are the ones who will erect a hard border.

Do you understand that?

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Yes but my personal appearance isn't the topic.

Excellent! Thanks for that, you just made my day

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

A no-deal Brexit would remove any regulatory alignment

Correct.

And the EU can be as much to blame for a " No Deal " as The UK.

So if The EU won't renegotiate a deal, they are the ones who will make it collapse. They are the ones who will erect a hard border.

Do you understand that?

The EU has negotiated a deal.

It's up to the UK to accept it or not.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

A no-deal Brexit would remove any regulatory alignment

Correct.

And the EU can be as much to blame for a " No Deal " as The UK.

So if The EU won't renegotiate a deal, they are the ones who will make it collapse. They are the ones who will erect a hard border.

Do you understand that?

The EU has negotiated a deal.

It's up to the UK to accept it or not.

The deal on offer is not acceptable to The UK. And not just by Brexiters, but Remainer MP's also.

So The EU will be erecting a hard border, unless they are prepared to renegotiate. It's as simple as that.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

A no-deal Brexit would remove any regulatory alignment

Correct.

And the EU can be as much to blame for a " No Deal " as The UK.

So if The EU won't renegotiate a deal, they are the ones who will make it collapse. They are the ones who will erect a hard border.

Do you understand that?

*Pinches bridge of nose in exasperation*
We have a deal. It's called the Withdrawal Agreement (WA). The EU and the Maybot negotiated it. Remember her, the sad woman who gurned a lot and whose time in No.10 was a long string of humiliations? Mr Toad (aka The People's Nige, who is finally showing his true colours at the head of his Brexitpartei) hates it and BoJo only got elected as Tory leader because he made some very old people very excited at the thought of Brexit or bust and because he said that he'd tear up the WA.
Ok? Can we all agree on that?
BoJo now claims that he can go one better than the Maybot and negotiate something with the EU. The EU have pointed out that they have negotiated something with the British Government and it's called the WA and that it's a bit late to restart what were very complicated and technical talks. BoJo seems to be saying something on the lines of 'Oh go on, it's easy, talk to me'. The EU have asked what he wants to talk about exactly. BoJo has not said anything. It's hard to restart negotiations when BoJo does not say or perhaps does not know what he wants to propose.
BoJo is not a details person by the way. He's a blabbermouth.
So - the British PM is the one who wants to tear up the WA. Have we all got that? He's the one who wants to tear up the WA. Him and that dangerous lunatic Cummings, The onus is, in other words, on them. The EU has spent three years very patiently saying 'Well, ok, what do you want?' and then listening to babble, froth and nonsense.
The UK is as split on this issue as it is possible to get. 'Leave' was supposed to mean 'Leave in a responsible manner whilst preserving our ties to our neighbours, our links to the Single Market and above all not damaging the economy'. It was not supposed to mean 'Leave by crashing out, abandoning our obligations, setting fire to our friends in Europe, forcing European residents to flee due to uncertainty and blowing up the economy, all the while screaming that the EU made us do it'.
It's BoJo who wants to abandon the WA. It's BoJo who has no clue what to do after that. It's BoJo who is acting like a child and somehow blaming the EU for him tearing up the WA.
I despair of this bloody country.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

A no-deal Brexit would remove any regulatory alignment

Correct.

And the EU can be as much to blame for a " No Deal " as The UK.

So if The EU won't renegotiate a deal, they are the ones who will make it collapse. They are the ones who will erect a hard border.

Do you understand that?

The EU has negotiated a deal.

It's up to the UK to accept it or not.

The deal on offer is not acceptable to The UK. And not just by Brexiters, but Remainer MP's also.

So The EU will be erecting a hard border, unless they are prepared to renegotiate. It's as simple as that.

It's the UK choosing to leave and the EU has offered a solution to the hard border.

If the UK walks out without a solution in place its a 100% on the UK.

a reply to: ScepticScot

It's the UK choosing to leave and the EU has offered a solution to the hard border.

That is commonly know as " Blackmail "

Which it is.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

That's a witty reply.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

A no-deal Brexit would remove any regulatory alignment

Correct.

And the EU can be as much to blame for a " No Deal " as The UK.

So if The EU won't renegotiate a deal, they are the ones who will make it collapse. They are the ones who will erect a hard border.

Do you understand that?

Allow me to chime in here, as there seems to be some kind of misunderstanding.

The EU and the UK have negotiated a deal. And it was a deal that was fully unsuspect: it was drafted by the EU in accordance with the will of the TORY government, the same force that actually created the entire Brexit bruhaha in the first place. But that nice and comfy Tory deal was refused by parliament (I stopped counting after 3 times, it got boring). That, in turn, was not because parliament did not like the deal, it could have said anything. But it was because both sides wanted to make a political statement. Labour are against ANYTHING Tories do or say, and so all voted against the deal. But the Tories were divided amongst each other too and were mostly feeling that the deal was to kind to the EU (even though it was their own representative that struck the deal).

Note that the EU has not had a say in this at all, they simply negotiated a deal they felt was acceptable, the UK also felt the deal was acceptable, but the danged political parties made it into a shameless plug for their own political parties.

Of course, as always, if something is not going overly well, all parties look for a scape-goat. But the truth is that the last year or so has proven that the UK is not capable of reasonable decisions anymore, but simply refuses to decide at all. In that context, it isn't even of any importance if Boris shuts down parliament. They weren't able to decide for 3 years, so why would that change now?

And the EU is not a factor at all here, it has facilitated the process the best it could.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

It's the UK choosing to leave and the EU has offered a solution to the hard border.

That is commonly know as " Blackmail "

Which it is.

No it isn't.

They aren't forcing us to leave.

If we decide to leave we don't get to dictate a deal to then . They have offered a deal after extended negotiations and it's our choice now.

The issue is that May was stupid/arrogant enough to believe parliament would just accept whatever she came back with.

The issue is that May was stupid/arrogant enough to believe parliament would just accept whatever she came back with

a reply to: ScepticScot

The EU won't renegotiate.

We leave without a deal because of their intransigence.

As the saying goes " Never Accept The First Offer "