Nobody on Earth has ever seen a rocket fly up towards 'orbit', and never will

There are countless different issues of debate, related to space.... like Apollo, or the round Earth, etc.

But they all come down to one, fundamental problem I see, which is never, or rarely, discussed...

If we have flown into space', landed men on the moon, sent thousands of satellites into Earth orbit, and so on....

Why have we never, ever, SEEN a rocket fly up, towards orbit? I don't mean directly fly straight up. I mean just see them actually flying up, TOWARDS orbit, after they launch.

All we ever see is a rocket fly over the ocean, out of our sight, and that's it. Until they are in 'orbit', or in 'space', of course!


Why have we NEVER seen a single rocket, from Earth, actually flying up, towards Earth orbit, then??


A rocket flies straight up at launch, but veers off in a horizontal direction soon afterwards, and flies over the ocean, out of sight, at a horizontal direction...

These rockets do not fly out of sight higher than an airplane flies at cruising altitudes, either. Something flying into orbit, conserving fuel, would not fly off lower than airplane altitudes, because it has far less air resistance at those altitudes, which is why planes fly there all the time. But let's go on...


When a rocket flies out of sight, over the ocean, it is very easy to see it, from Earth, even without magnification.


Sending a rocket over the ocean, out of sight, shows that rockets can fly over the ocean, but it doesn't show that rockets actually fly up, into orbit, as they claim.

However, they would certainly have to know the flight paths of their rockets, before launching them, right?

So they would also describe/plot a chart of the specific flight path, before reaching Earth orbit, within a few of their official documents, like all of the other details were documented, right?

In fact, they have never shown us any documents of the flight paths for their rockets, which doesn't make any sense, if rockets actually flew into orbit. A rocket that flies around Earth's atmosphere before it reaches orbit, would have to fly over thousands, or millions, of people, as it begins to fly upward, towards orbit, right?

But they've never shown us a flight path for a rocket, which would show us exactly where we could SEE their rocket, flying up towards orbit.

And we've never seen a rocket - from Earth - fly up towards orbit, either.



If someone claimed they sent a spaceship to Mars, without showing you their rocket actually flying up, towards Earth orbit, would you believe it, or would you want to see their rocket actually fly up towards Earth orbit, first of all, and only if you DO see it, would you then go further ahead, and assess the rest of his claim, from that point?


When we see a rocket launch from Earth, it looks very impressive, and powerful, so we believe it must be able to fly into orbit, or to the moon, and nobody cares that we've never, ever seen a rocket actually fly up towards orbit, from Earth. It is assumed to happen, and that's good enough. Especially when we all see the rocket in space, going to the moon, and so on. That confirms it happened, to everyone who doubted it was not true!

But it does not confirm it is true, at all. They only show it launching from Earth, with nothing shown flying up towards orbit, then they show it IN orbit, or whatever. A most crucial piece is missing here, the piece that WOULD confirm it is true.


It is merely an illusion, repeated over and over again, and that confirms it to people as being real. And many other tricks, sell it off, too. But the whole illusion only works because people don't question why we've never SEEN a rocket fly up towards orbit. And most people don't care, let alone question it.

Is this thread an attempt at comedy?

I honestly can't tell.

a reply to: turbonium1

Ummmm
Are you being serious dude?
Would you like me to explain this to you?

a reply to: turbonium1

Ever use a cell phone with GPRS?
How do you think that works?

Ever looked at the sky at night and seen satellites or the ISS flying overhead?
How did they get there?

How does Sky TV work?

With store bought technology today,if you want to-you can bounce a laser off the mirror left on the moon by Apollo astronauts.
Or you can recieve signals from orbiting satellites-remember Sputnik the first ever satellite lauched by the Soviets?

That was confirmed to exist by the radio telescopes at Jodrell Bank in the UK,who found its orbit and recieved signals from it.

Its pretty hard to prove your theory that rockets ave never reached orbit,but easy to dispute your theory.

I don't post much on ATS anymore, but I do keep an eye on the threads - sometimes I see something so outright stupid that I have to react.



Please, please, get an education, or at least learn how to use a search engine.

originally posted by: RMFX1
Is this thread an attempt at comedy?

I honestly can't tell.

Simply show me a rocket, viewed from Earth, actually flying up towards orbit... since you think it's just an attempt at comedy....

I can't wait to see it...

originally posted by: neformore
I don't post much on ATS anymore, but I do keep an eye on the threads - sometimes I see something so outright stupid that I have to react.

Please, please, get an education, or at least learn how to use a search engine.

If you had an education, you'd know it's not shown from Earth, as I asked for you to show me. This is just CGI crap, same as usual.

Show me a video taken from Earth, if you can..

a reply to: turbonium1

Rockets don’t just sit in orbit, orbit is achieved by going a certain speed while trapped in earths gravity well. So the rocket arcs while gaining altitude and speed until it is essentially “falling” around the earth continually.

Good luck with your retarded flat earth crusade around here.

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
a reply to: turbonium1

Ever use a cell phone with GPRS?
How do you think that works?

Ever looked at the sky at night and seen satellites or the ISS flying overhead?
How did they get there?

How does Sky TV work?

With store bought technology today,if you want to-you can bounce a laser off the mirror left on the moon by Apollo astronauts.
Or you can recieve signals from orbiting satellites-remember Sputnik the first ever satellite lauched by the Soviets?

That was confirmed to exist by the radio telescopes at Jodrell Bank in the UK,who found its orbit and recieved signals from it.

Its pretty hard to prove your theory that rockets ave never reached orbit,but easy to dispute your theory.

You can't find a video from Earth, that's what I asked for. Not this garbage, which proves nothing at all.

a reply to: turbonium1

But it does not confirm it is true, at all. They only show it launching from Earth, with nothing shown flying up towards orbit, then they show it IN orbit, or whatever. A most crucial piece is missing here, the piece that WOULD confirm it is true.

Your Sat Nav confirms it's true.

originally posted by: Quantumgamer1776
a reply to: turbonium1

Rockets don’t just sit in orbit, orbit is achieved by going a certain speed while trapped in earths gravity well. So the rocket arcs while gaining altitude and speed until it is essentially “falling” around the earth continually.

Good luck with your retarded flat earth crusade around here.

You've never seen a rocket fly up towards orbit, either. Don't tell me you know what happens, when something you don't have a clue ever happens in the first place, because it looks ridiculous.

originally posted by: turbonium1
This is just CGI crap, same as usual.

Show me a video taken from Earth, if you can..

See - the bit in bold there....the point of me doing that would be?

You aren't here for a discussion. You're here to be pig-headed because you want to troll.

Obvious troll is obvious.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: turbonium1

But it does not confirm it is true, at all. They only show it launching from Earth, with nothing shown flying up towards orbit, then they show it IN orbit, or whatever. A most crucial piece is missing here, the piece that WOULD confirm it is true.

Your Sat Nav confirms it's true.

No, it doesn't. Seeing a rocket from Earth fly up towards orbit confirms it is true.

It should be the easiest thing to show, a rocket flying up towards orbit, from our very own Earth viewpoint, so what is the problem here?

a reply to: turbonium1

Actually I have seen a rocket launch, it’s not that crazy of a thing to see these days.

And if you don’t want people telling you how these things work then why did you make a thread full of questions about how these things work?

originally posted by: neformore

originally posted by: turbonium1
This is just CGI crap, same as usual.

Show me a video taken from Earth, if you can..

See - the bit in bold there....the point of me doing that would be?

You aren't here for a discussion. You're here to be pig-headed because you want to troll.

Obvious troll is obvious.

No, I asked to see a rocket - from Earth - flying up towards orbit. Are you a troll, who doesn't want to discuss the specific issue here, or not?

a reply to: turbonium1

It worries me that you seem to think Orbit is a location

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: turbonium1

But it does not confirm it is true, at all. They only show it launching from Earth, with nothing shown flying up towards orbit, then they show it IN orbit, or whatever. A most crucial piece is missing here, the piece that WOULD confirm it is true.

Your Sat Nav confirms it's true.

No, it doesn't. Seeing a rocket from Earth fly up towards orbit confirms it is true.

It should be the easiest thing to show, a rocket flying up towards orbit, from our very own Earth viewpoint, so what is the problem here?

LMAO. You'll deny any presented evidence as CGI or fake anyway. So what is the point of your thread?

Have you ever seen a launch of a rocket even on TV
Did you watch for 6 - 8 minutes ? (12 for a shuttle launch.)
If you did , you just took out your entire thread premise

If you think what i wrote was "garbage" why not visit an observatory and watch the ISS through a large telescope.
How do you think that got there?
On the back of a winged donkey perhaps?

Its good to question things,but I don't see how you arrive at the conclusion that no rocket has ever reached orbit.
Its really not that hard to prove.

originally posted by: Gothmog
Have you ever seen a launch of a rocket even on TV
Did you watch for 6 - 8 minutes ? (12 for a shuttle launch.)
If you did , you just took out your entire thread premise

No, they all fly out of sight, over the ocean, lower than planes at cruising altitudes.

Show me this is not the case, if you can. I'd love to see it.