Conservatives are causing the political divide

I have come to the conclusion that conservatives do NOT want a united people. They wish us to stay divided and they are attempting to undermine any intelligent process that tries to bring us together. Now most of what I am talking about is happenning right here on the boards.

The Bush supporters are constantly slandering opposing views, opposing parties and the very people who are trying to have a decent dialog without partison rhetoric. I am sick and tired of conservatives whining that I am not patriotic, or that my opinions smell like 'Turdblossoms'. That last one is from Ed singer, one of the conservatives here who enjoy calling others and their opinions names like a third grader on the playground.

Bush supporters, can you please grow up and realize that we are in this together? Can you please stop with the needless slander? Can you please accept that not everyone see's things the way you do? All you Bush supporters really need to take a step back and see how you are acting. How can you claim to be Gods chosen people when you are full of hate and spouting lies about different opinions? You remind me of militant islamist who will hear nothing but what they want to hear, and believe only what there leaders tell them to. You are full of the same hate that Bush is supposedly attempting to fight.

I have had enough with the child like mentality of (some of) you Bush supporters. There is an occasional Bush fan out there who will actually debate without slinging the mud, but they are few and far between. You Cconservatives would do well to practice what you preach about your religous beliefs.

[edit on 3/5/05 by Kidfinger]

I don't know about that Kidfinger. I think both sides are guilty of this. I can't argue with ECK or RANT without being insulted 8 times before I can get back up. And it's not just them either (Nothin against ECK or RANT.). Being called blind, a sheep, a hater monger...the list goes on. I mean, can you blame a conservative for looking like the jerk when he enters a room where the "Civil debate" going on is,

Person A: "Yeah, that Bush sure is nazi scum".
Person B: "I know, I heard that he likes to kill babies. All those Bush sheep who are following him are just ignorant."
*Dramatic exageration may have been used here*

You know my stance on the division thing. I've made posts about how I wish it would stop...which nobody replied to of course haha. I don't deny that there are Bush supporters out there who are just as bad as people on the other side, but I think both sides are guilty here, and until we realize that, nothing's ever going to happen.

Herman, I know rant is not a conservative, but ECK is. I do agree that both sides have bad apples, but it seems that the conservatives have a whole bushel, and we just have two or three. I cont go through one single poltical thread without being told I am a communist who must leave, or my opinion doesnt count because Im in th minority, or that my views smell like flower poop.

Im just disgusted with most of the conservatives and the smelly tactics being used to downplay the other sides views.

Originally posted by Kidfinger
Herman, I know rant is not a conservative, but ECK is.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that! It's hard to tell sometimes that ECK considers himself a conservative. All I've ever seen him debate about was Bush. But yeah, to me both sides are equally guilty of this.

Originally posted by Herman
*Dramatic exageration may have been used here*

I agree. My insults are way more subtle than your examples from the liberal hoi polloi.

While both liberals and conservatives "in the trenches" do contribute to "the divide" as pointed out, I think from a perspective of intelligent design you're right Kidfinger.

While top liberal strategists and policy makers are often criticized for trying to appeal to every man, conservatives (like Rove) have mastered the art of segmentation and dividing the public with wedge issues.

We see these come up over and over. In fact, I posted the leaked GOP playbook recently. It admits as much.

Speaking only for myself, when I debate an issue I sincerely hope I'm at least making someone reconsider their postion if not figure out why they defend it and making them do so for constructive purposes. When some merely repost propaganda though, then do a bit of angry emoti-trolling for "hits" I get no sense whatsoever they're out to change minds.

Just baiting the hillbilly feud and keeping it going. It's the standing neocon marching orders.

Which in part answers OXmanK's excellent question...

Why are you being intentionally dishonest?

I think that the left has their share of trolling posts. Mostly, it is newer people who come in with a huff. But that is mostly true for both sides in this. I have seen more than my share of Bush = War Monger, Bush is the devil, Republicans are pedophiles, etc. Just as I have seen plenty of The left are communists, liberals want to kill God, and Democrats want to kill your babies so they can live longer. I don't think there is anyone dividing more than anyone else right now.

Both sides don't want a united America. After all, they have become nothing more than agenda monkeys who naturally oppose the other just because they can. And what it is doing is ripping us apart at the seam. This problem is not going to go away with more partisan politics. Both sides are guilty of doing all they can to get rid of the other's politics without trying to bridge the gap...make the compromise...make concessions. We are missing out on the other's policy that make sense by playing pure partisan politics. Do you think we can afford universal healthcare? What about another 80+ billion dollars to the Iraq fund?

The problems in this country is not on the doorstep of one political belief. It is all of them. They would rather play partisan politics while this country starts to crack.

I think it's bad on both fronts, especially from my battles on Bill O'Reilly message boards.

In operation, I think that the Republicans used the same plan better. Do it without doing it, or doing it in plain sight yet not doing it.

The liberals have gone public with their anger and distain for the other side, no matter the topic. It's about people and suppositions.

Originally posted by Herman

Originally posted by Kidfinger
Herman, I know rant is not a conservative, but ECK is.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that! It's hard to tell sometimes that ECK considers himself a conservative. All I've ever seen him debate about was Bush. But yeah, to me both sides are equally guilty of this.

And there lies the fatal observation, Herman. To argue against Bush means you are not conservative/republican? You make him sound like Jesus in that to argue against him would mean you arn't Christian. Why the absolute? Is Bush the posterboy republican you must obey, or forfeit your Republican membership?

Originally posted by cargo
And there lies the fatal observation, Herman. To argue against Bush means you are not conservative/republican? You make him sound like Jesus in that to argue against him would mean you arn't Christian. Why the absolute? Is Bush the posterboy republican you must obey, or forfeit your Republican membership?

No, not at all. But if I've never seen him argue FOR a conservative point, and only seen him argue against Bush (A conservative), it would be easy to make the assumption that he's a liberal. Don't be so quick to judge.

How else can right-wing minority supported parties maintain power unless they manage to turn most off of voting?

Of course they don't want 'unity' and 'public engagement', they wouldn't last 5mins if they got it.

Originally posted by sminkeypinkey


Of course they don't want 'unity' and 'public engagement', they wouldn't last 5mins if they got it.

That is kind of the whole point. If we all got along aqnd accepted everyone for who they are without prejiduce, well, we wouldnt be conservative republicans then would we?

That is kind of the whole point. If we all got along aqnd accepted everyone for who they are without prejiduce, well, we wouldnt be conservative republicans then would we?

Nor would we have any political parties. I don't think that conservatives are prejudice against minorities any more than liberals. Let's see, how many of Bush's top-ranking officials are black? Two, one being a black woman. The closest black person to Clinton was a secretary.

Think about if I made a post called "Liberals are causing the political divide". How would that make you feel?

Originally posted by Herman


Nor would we have any political parties.

Good point.

I don't think that conservatives are prejudice against minorities any more than liberals.

You may not be, But I seem to know many more racist people who are republicans than Democrates. We will just have to dissagree here.

Think about if I made a post called "Liberals are causing the political divide". How would that make you feel?

It would depend on if you refered to my opinions as turdburger suprise, or if you labled me a communist. You know, the general insults I recieve here

If the thread was presented without impugnity or prejudice, I would reply in a logical manner that supported why I thought you were wrong.


BTW, did you get my E-mail?


[edit on 3/6/05 by Kidfinger]

You may not be, But I seem to know many more racist people who are republicans than Democrates. We will just have to dissagree here.

Well, I do know a lot of liberals that try not to be racist, but then they go and support things like school vouchers, and "african-american" scholorships which I think are B.S. To me, it's like telling blacks "You're too dumb to make it on your own, so here's some money to help you along the way." I'm not saying that everyone who supports the scholorships and such are racist, but it seems like a racist thing to me. Part of not being prejudice is to realize that there really are differences between races and sexes, in my opinion.

Think about if I made a post called "Liberals are causing the political divide". How would that make you feel?

That's because you're a reasonable person.

BTW, did you get my E-mail?
[edit on 3/6/05 by Kidfinger]

Yep, got it and responded . Did you get my reply yet?

I agree with you kid finger since Bush is in the white house it seems that conservatives are doing a heck of a job on keeping themselves away from anything else that is not pro-Bush, even in this threads, you can see the rhetoric used now is no longer anti-American and anti-Patriotic, but now if you go against the administration agenda that so far is for big government and corporations at the expenses of the hard working American you are tagged a socialist, while the true is that the policies of the government are fascist.

Then now the “Bush Capital” with the second term is bringing out of the dark the fundamentalists that were waiting for the right time to push their anti civil rights religious views. But as usual we are the bad, for nagging and noticing the road that our country is heading.

Originally posted by marg6043
I agree with you kid finger since Bush is in the white house it seems that conservatives are doing a heck of a job on keeping themselves away from anything else that is not pro-Bush

Examples? Let's see, Bush has eaten dinner with the prime minster of france, gave speeches in Canada, as well as other things attempting to close the political gap. What have democrats done to try to make ends meet with Republicans? Oh, that's right, you're never wrong huh? Always 100% right?

even in this threads, you can see the rhetoric used now is no longer anti-American and anti-Patriotic, but now if you go against the administration agenda that so far is for big government and corporations at the expenses of the hard working American you are tagged a socialist, while the true is that the policies of the government are fascist.

What rhetoric would that be? Would you like to give some examples of facist policies of the president?

Then now the “Bush Capital” with the second term is bringing out of the dark the fundamentalists that were waiting for the right time to push their anti civil rights religious views.

Anti civil-rights? Like what? Would you like to name some examples?


[edit on 6-3-2005 by Herman]

OK, I'll say it again.

It's the American people, the media, the propagandists, the internet liars and those who make mountains out of molehills professionally, and the political parties that are the problem.

Pretty much the whole system. Don't give me this crap like Republicans are the only smallminded ignorant liars out there.

The libs take the cake on those traits as well.

Kid you are amazing.
You post a thread about how consetvatives are divviding America and then post this.

You may not be, But I seem to know many more racist people who are republicans than Democrates. We will just have to dissagree here.

and this

That is kind of the whole point. If we all got along aqnd accepted everyone for who they are without prejiduce, well, we wouldnt be conservative republicans then would we?

S let me get this straight, in the same thread where you accuse conservatives of being divisive and ask them to stop, you also post insiuating that republicans are racists and that no one who s republican can be without prejudice?
Yeah real inclusive.

Originally posted by mwm1331

S let me get this straight, in the same thread where you accuse conservatives of being divisive and ask them to stop, you also post insiuating that republicans are racists and that no one who s republican can be without prejudice?
Yeah real inclusive.

No, republicans are NOT inclusive. Kind of my point. You have shown this on another thread that you support a divide in the populace. I simply mean that I know of NO Liberals who are prejiduce. Yes, there are Democrates, but that does not make you a Liberal. You know. Liberal and Conservative. Its OK mwm1331, I understand how you can feel this way. After all, anyone who doesnt see things like you are automatically labled as a dumbass in your opinion.