High Court Finds Tommy Robinson guilty of contempt of court over Facebook broadcast

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: ScepticScot

No all pedophilia is horrible

Why did Saville get away with it for so long?

Because he was powerful and wealthy and had powerful connections

Is it bigoted to say that?

Must we say

“Stop focusing on how Saville got away with it! He was a monster, focusing on his reasons and how he got away with it by being wealthy and well connected is terrible because not all wealthy well connected people are pedos”

Of course not

We focus on the reasons for the attacks that we know, and why they were covered up

Yet for some reason to do that when it’s muslims rapists is considered off limits

Again you are conflating 2 separate issues.

The reasons the abuse wasn't investigated properly and the reason for the abuse are not the same.

But either is a reason to focus on

First as I said, the actual rape victims said the rapists said their religion justified the rape. Are these rape victims lying?

And Are you saying we should not have a conversation as to why this was covered up?

Why would they be lying? No one is disputing their account. We are disputing that religion was the reason they committed these crimes. It's really not complicated.

I have explicitly said we should be discussing why it was covered up. I am stating the fairly obvious fact that the reasons for it not being investigated is separate from it being done in the first place.

So if the girls are telling the truth, then what are you arguing?

Now does these monsters belief that their religion justifies this mean all Muslims are rapists?

No!

But being afraid to view the connections, and reasons for these grooming gangs, and the reason it was covered up is horrible, and what led to this continuing for three decades

I am sure the girls are telling the truth about was said to them. That doesn't mean that religion was the reason for the abuse regardless of what justification their abusers gave to them.

a reply to: andy06shake

Yes you correctly recognize rich and powerful people have raped and gotten away with it

We should focus on that to make sure it doesn’t co to use to happen

Of course you are not saying all rich and powerful are rapist

That is exactly how I am approaching the Rotherham scandal

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: ScepticScot

No all pedophilia is horrible

Why did Saville get away with it for so long?

Because he was powerful and wealthy and had powerful connections

Is it bigoted to say that?

Must we say

“Stop focusing on how Saville got away with it! He was a monster, focusing on his reasons and how he got away with it by being wealthy and well connected is terrible because not all wealthy well connected people are pedos”

Of course not

We focus on the reasons for the attacks that we know, and why they were covered up

Yet for some reason to do that when it’s muslims rapists is considered off limits

Again you are conflating 2 separate issues.

The reasons the abuse wasn't investigated properly and the reason for the abuse are not the same.

But either is a reason to focus on

First as I said, the actual rape victims said the rapists said their religion justified the rape. Are these rape victims lying?

And Are you saying we should not have a conversation as to why this was covered up?

Why would they be lying? No one is disputing their account. We are disputing that religion was the reason they committed these crimes. It's really not complicated.

I have explicitly said we should be discussing why it was covered up. I am stating the fairly obvious fact that the reasons for it not being investigated is separate from it being done in the first place.

So if the girls are telling the truth, then what are you arguing?

Now does these monsters belief that their religion justifies this mean all Muslims are rapists?

No!

But being afraid to view the connections, and reasons for these grooming gangs, and the reason it was covered up is horrible, and what led to this continuing for three decades

I am sure the girls are telling the truth about was said to them. That doesn't mean that religion was the reason for the abuse regardless of what justification their abusers gave to them.

Ok so now you are saying the rapist were lying to ten girls about the reason

They truly didn’t believe their religion said the girls were dirty sex objects to be used

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for your position?

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: ScepticScot

The victims said the rapists said their religion was what they told the victims was the justification for the rapes

I’m sure you would love to tell these child rape victims to please be quiet, because their religion has. I thing to do with it

We know that the crimes were ignored or covered up because of their religion

Yet you want to tell people they should not take the religion into account

People have used God as an excuse to do what they want since people invented God. They didn't commit these crimes because they are Muslims, but because they are child abusing rapist bastards.

Since you are on ofhere defending the man whose actions could have caused a mistrial of those very people, then you will forgive me if call bull # on your attempts at moral superiority regarding the victims of these crimes.

And since you are seeking to not be able to look at what the victims said was they rapists justifiacation, and why investigators said was the reason for the cover up

Forgive me if I call bs on you being concerned about child rape victims

Again you are the one on here defending the man who risked the successful prosecution of the their actual abusers. You know the actual topic of this thread.

And you are now saying we can’t discuss the reasons for the rapists acting and the reason it was covered up,

If people listen to you, I’m sure we can look forward to another three decades of girls being raped because we were afraid to look racist and use relevant facts to lock up these rapist

Whiteside I say that? Is your point really that weak you are just completely making stuff up now?

However their religion is also completely irrelevant to the fact that they are child abusers

That what you and Andy have been arguing

We shouldn’t focus in the religion of the abusers, despite that being why it was covered up, and the reason they gave for raping the girls

Are you really struggling with this that much?

The fact that religion of the accused was part of reason for the failure to investigate properly is a disgrace. No one has said any different

What Andy and myself have said repeatedly is that the religion is of no relevance to the fact that they are child abusers.

If you think otherwise state it outright. Do you believe they commuted these crimes because they where muslim?

I believe the committed these acts because they are monsters, and because they had a hatred for these girls and felt justified because of their religion

They thought the girls were their property because of their religion

Or do you think the rapes girls that said they said that were lying?

It’s also important to discuss it because it was ignored because of the religion

If rich powerful people get away with rape because of that, it is worth while to focus on that

Same here

We absolutely should as a society discuss and deal with reasons for why it was ignored.

Still doesn't make religion the reason they commited the crimes.

So you think the girls were lying when they say the rapists said there religion was the reason?

Or you just chose to ignore them?

Nope never said they are ying and have explained why.

Your attempts to paint people who disagree with your views as not caring about or disbelieving the victims are getting a bit pathetic.

So if the rapists told the girls that their religion meant they owned the girls and they were dirty sex objects to be used

And you believe the girls

Where do you get the justification for your statement their religion had nothing to do with their reason for the rapes?

Because, and I really can't believe this needs explaining, people use religion as an excuse for all.sorts of evil activities. In most cases the evil is with the person not the religion.

They did what they did because they were child abusing rapist bastards. Not because they are muslim.

a reply to: Grambler

I want the Police and Social work held to account, and the CPS if they have their mitts on the tin.

And i don't mean, lose their jobs, or more lightly moved to another position a few districts along the way.

Because those fecking inept shower of SCUM deserve to be seen to sharpish before it happens all over again!

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: ScepticScot

No all pedophilia is horrible

Why did Saville get away with it for so long?

Because he was powerful and wealthy and had powerful connections

Is it bigoted to say that?

Must we say

“Stop focusing on how Saville got away with it! He was a monster, focusing on his reasons and how he got away with it by being wealthy and well connected is terrible because not all wealthy well connected people are pedos”

Of course not

We focus on the reasons for the attacks that we know, and why they were covered up

Yet for some reason to do that when it’s muslims rapists is considered off limits

Again you are conflating 2 separate issues.

The reasons the abuse wasn't investigated properly and the reason for the abuse are not the same.

But either is a reason to focus on

First as I said, the actual rape victims said the rapists said their religion justified the rape. Are these rape victims lying?

And Are you saying we should not have a conversation as to why this was covered up?

Why would they be lying? No one is disputing their account. We are disputing that religion was the reason they committed these crimes. It's really not complicated.

I have explicitly said we should be discussing why it was covered up. I am stating the fairly obvious fact that the reasons for it not being investigated is separate from it being done in the first place.

So if the girls are telling the truth, then what are you arguing?

Now does these monsters belief that their religion justifies this mean all Muslims are rapists?

No!

But being afraid to view the connections, and reasons for these grooming gangs, and the reason it was covered up is horrible, and what led to this continuing for three decades

I am sure the girls are telling the truth about was said to them. That doesn't mean that religion was the reason for the abuse regardless of what justification their abusers gave to them.

Ok so now you are saying the rapist were lying to ten girls about the reason

They truly didn’t believe their religion said the girls were dirty sex objects to be used

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for your position?

Can you show where their religion says the girls where ' dirty sex objects to be used'

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: ScepticScot

No all pedophilia is horrible

Why did Saville get away with it for so long?

Because he was powerful and wealthy and had powerful connections

Is it bigoted to say that?

Must we say

“Stop focusing on how Saville got away with it! He was a monster, focusing on his reasons and how he got away with it by being wealthy and well connected is terrible because not all wealthy well connected people are pedos”

Of course not

We focus on the reasons for the attacks that we know, and why they were covered up

Yet for some reason to do that when it’s muslims rapists is considered off limits

Again you are conflating 2 separate issues.

The reasons the abuse wasn't investigated properly and the reason for the abuse are not the same.

But either is a reason to focus on

First as I said, the actual rape victims said the rapists said their religion justified the rape. Are these rape victims lying?

And Are you saying we should not have a conversation as to why this was covered up?

Why would they be lying? No one is disputing their account. We are disputing that religion was the reason they committed these crimes. It's really not complicated.

I have explicitly said we should be discussing why it was covered up. I am stating the fairly obvious fact that the reasons for it not being investigated is separate from it being done in the first place.

So if the girls are telling the truth, then what are you arguing?

Now does these monsters belief that their religion justifies this mean all Muslims are rapists?

No!

But being afraid to view the connections, and reasons for these grooming gangs, and the reason it was covered up is horrible, and what led to this continuing for three decades

I am sure the girls are telling the truth about was said to them. That doesn't mean that religion was the reason for the abuse regardless of what justification their abusers gave to them.

Ok so now you are saying the rapist were lying to ten girls about the reason

They truly didn’t believe their religion said the girls were dirty sex objects to be used

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for your position?

Can you show where their religion says the girls where ' dirty sex objects to be used'

I don’t have too

Can you show me where their religion says to bomb people?

Do you really believe that their aren’t people who bomb people in the name of Islam

Or how about Christianity

Show me where the Bible says to torture people as witches

Yet many people did that in the name of Christianity

The point is these rapists believed their religion gave them justification

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: ScepticScot

No all pedophilia is horrible

Why did Saville get away with it for so long?

Because he was powerful and wealthy and had powerful connections

Is it bigoted to say that?

Must we say

“Stop focusing on how Saville got away with it! He was a monster, focusing on his reasons and how he got away with it by being wealthy and well connected is terrible because not all wealthy well connected people are pedos”

Of course not

We focus on the reasons for the attacks that we know, and why they were covered up

Yet for some reason to do that when it’s muslims rapists is considered off limits

Again you are conflating 2 separate issues.

The reasons the abuse wasn't investigated properly and the reason for the abuse are not the same.

But either is a reason to focus on

First as I said, the actual rape victims said the rapists said their religion justified the rape. Are these rape victims lying?

And Are you saying we should not have a conversation as to why this was covered up?

Why would they be lying? No one is disputing their account. We are disputing that religion was the reason they committed these crimes. It's really not complicated.

I have explicitly said we should be discussing why it was covered up. I am stating the fairly obvious fact that the reasons for it not being investigated is separate from it being done in the first place.

So if the girls are telling the truth, then what are you arguing?

Now does these monsters belief that their religion justifies this mean all Muslims are rapists?

No!

But being afraid to view the connections, and reasons for these grooming gangs, and the reason it was covered up is horrible, and what led to this continuing for three decades

I am sure the girls are telling the truth about was said to them. That doesn't mean that religion was the reason for the abuse regardless of what justification their abusers gave to them.

Ok so now you are saying the rapist were lying to ten girls about the reason

They truly didn’t believe their religion said the girls were dirty sex objects to be used

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for your position?

Can you show where their religion says the girls where ' dirty sex objects to be used'

I don’t have too

Can you show me where their religion says to bomb people?

Do you really believe that their aren’t people who bomb people in the name of Islam

Or how about Christianity

Show me where the Bible says to torture people as witches

Yet many people did that in the name of Christianity

The point is these rapists believed their religion gave them justification

So let's be clear then you are confirming that their religion does not justify their actions.

a reply to: Grambler

I think we win in the ""bombing"" department, religion aside, and then some.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Grambler

I want the Police and Social work held to account, and the CPS if they have their mitts on the tin.

And i don't mean, lose their jobs, or more lightly moved to another position a few districts along the way.

Because those fecking inept shower of SCUM deserve to be seen to sharpish before it happens all over again!

Ok me too

But by ignoring the connections of the rape gangs, including their religion or nationality of origin, it makes these abuses all the more likely to continue

And again, isn’t odd that people are far more hateful of tommy than the officials who knew of and allowed the rapes to continue?

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Grambler

I want the Police and Social work held to account, and the CPS if they have their mitts on the tin.

And i don't mean, lose their jobs, or more lightly moved to another position a few districts along the way.

Because those fecking inept shower of SCUM deserve to be seen to sharpish before it happens all over again!

Ok me too

But by ignoring the connections of the rape gangs, including their religion or nationality of origin, it makes these abuses all the more likely to continue

And again, isn’t odd that people are far more hateful of tommy than the officials who knew of and allowed the rapes to continue?

Again making stuff up. Who here had been more hateful of Robinson than the child abusers?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: ScepticScot

No all pedophilia is horrible

Why did Saville get away with it for so long?

Because he was powerful and wealthy and had powerful connections

Is it bigoted to say that?

Must we say

“Stop focusing on how Saville got away with it! He was a monster, focusing on his reasons and how he got away with it by being wealthy and well connected is terrible because not all wealthy well connected people are pedos”

Of course not

We focus on the reasons for the attacks that we know, and why they were covered up

Yet for some reason to do that when it’s muslims rapists is considered off limits

Again you are conflating 2 separate issues.

The reasons the abuse wasn't investigated properly and the reason for the abuse are not the same.

But either is a reason to focus on

First as I said, the actual rape victims said the rapists said their religion justified the rape. Are these rape victims lying?

And Are you saying we should not have a conversation as to why this was covered up?

Why would they be lying? No one is disputing their account. We are disputing that religion was the reason they committed these crimes. It's really not complicated.

I have explicitly said we should be discussing why it was covered up. I am stating the fairly obvious fact that the reasons for it not being investigated is separate from it being done in the first place.

So if the girls are telling the truth, then what are you arguing?

Now does these monsters belief that their religion justifies this mean all Muslims are rapists?

No!

But being afraid to view the connections, and reasons for these grooming gangs, and the reason it was covered up is horrible, and what led to this continuing for three decades

I am sure the girls are telling the truth about was said to them. That doesn't mean that religion was the reason for the abuse regardless of what justification their abusers gave to them.

Ok so now you are saying the rapist were lying to ten girls about the reason

They truly didn’t believe their religion said the girls were dirty sex objects to be used

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for your position?

Can you show where their religion says the girls where ' dirty sex objects to be used'

I don’t have too

Can you show me where their religion says to bomb people?

Do you really believe that their aren’t people who bomb people in the name of Islam

Or how about Christianity

Show me where the Bible says to torture people as witches

Yet many people did that in the name of Christianity

The point is these rapists believed their religion gave them justification

So let's be clear then you are confirming that their religion does not justify their actions.

My god no!

Of course I don’t think it justifies their actions

But I am not an expert

I see reasonable Muslims that are disgusted by this, and I agree with them that Islam does not call for this

Which is why it’s all the more tragic that the fact these rapists were Muslim is what allowed their crimes to be covered up

That’s why Muslims like maajid are so passionate about calling out who these rapists are, and how terrible it was that they were not allowed to be co fronted for fear of being called racist

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Grambler

I think we win in the ""bombing"" department, religion aside, and then some.

Who is “we”?

a reply to: Grambler

Why muddy the water with irrelevant crap?

What did they do when they were 4, whats there Dads occupation, or mothers nation of birth?

They are people who are beasts who happen to be Muslim.

We can see what Tommy's is up to through, them not so much, you point them out to me, and should I come across them ile spit in their eye, just like i would Tommy boy 10 names.

a reply to: andy06shake

Did what they did when they were 4 act as their justification for their rapes or the reason it was covered up?

Did their dads occupation or mother place of birth do either of those?

Nope

But they used their religion as justification for their rapes, and their religion was the reason that it was covered up

That is why it’s so important to discuss

a reply to: Grambler

How many wars have been perpetuated over religion throughout history?

Do you imagine that was ever the real reason?

I can use whatever i like as an excuse but that does not make it so im afraid.

Same for those unscrupulous nefarious nonces.

a reply to: andy06shake

So let’s say a bunch of people who work in a governors office are accused of raping children

They are ignored by the police for decades

Did they rape the kids because they work for the governor?

Nope

They just got away with it because of those connections

But you say it would be irrelevant and possibly bigoted to mention that, it would just be muddying the waters

I disagree, and think your take leads to less people being held accountable and more abuse of children

a reply to: Grambler

What like a school governor?

Did the governor rape the kids?

I don't think who they work for would be relevant.

Do you imagine the people who raped the little girls worked for Allah?

I'm not quite grasping the context so its a strange hypothetical really.

People mate not a religion, that's just an excuse, and a poor one at that.

a reply to: andy06shake

Ignoring rapes because of a religion

That’s what happened

And still you say we shouldn’t focus on that aspect

a reply to: Grambler

Where, when, how?

Maybe if your a Police or Social Worker in Rotherham or the like.

The rest of us tend to take that kind of thing rather seriously.

Put it this way, if that was my kids, they would have been rounded up at dawn, papped in the back of a white stolen van, driven a few hundred miles distant, and burned to death in the back of it.

Problem solved no Police or social work, bent, inept, or otherwise required, and I'm sure they would not be missed.

Hypothetically of course.