Dems' Agenda: Kill Jobs; Pander to Freeloaders

a reply to: luthier

Ever watched the movie terminator?

originally posted by: willzilla
The federal reserve prints money that it loans to the government. That is why we pay income taxes. Federal reserve act signed by Woodrow Wilson.

No, not even close.

History lesson time;

The first income tax was created in 1861 during the Civil War as a mechanism to finance the war effort. In addition, Congress passed the Internal Revenue Act in 1862 which created the Bureau of Internal Revenue, an eventual predecessor to the IRS.

US Income Tax History, Taxucation

a reply to: Middleoftheroad

If you adopt something along the lines of bitcoin or a gold standard inflation wont happen.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: luthier

Ever watched the movie terminator?

I have. And it's far more likely to occur if we don't have democratic access to technology that can control humanity like a global slave state.

My larger fear is genetic engineering. Nobody is talking about those dangers and will probably hit first. With the help of AI to analyze genetic code things are moving incredibly fast.

I wonder how many crispr babies actually exist.

I just read a compelling arguement Roswell was a stalin spy and propaganda program. The beginning of mutational human experiments. Mostly surgical at that time.

a reply to: luthier


Watched the video. I must say the thought of trucks driving around without drivers scares the heck out of me.

A local grocery store now has a robot who occasionally roams around. I stopped shopping there because it gets in my way, and is useless IMO.

UBI sounds like welfare without all the red tape involved, although I believe it could help in cases where people would like to be retrained or educated, but what about the ones with idle hands doing the work of the devil.

On the other hand, more women would be able to stay home and actually raise their own children, which is needed IMO.

It might free up the highways a little, congestion wise.


Have to give it some thought as to the possible downfalls!

Why do we need AI? That is the most important?

originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: luthier


Watched the video. I must say the thought of trucks driving around without drivers scares the heck out of me.

UBI sounds like welfare without all the red tape involved, although I believe it could help in cases where people would like to be retrained or educated, but what about the ones with idle hands doing the work of the devil.

On the other hand, more women would be able to stay home and actually raise their own children, which is needed IMO.

It might free up the highways a little, congestion wise.


Have to give it some thought as to the possible downfalls!

All totally reasonable. I agree with your assessment. I don't know a ubi is good either.

Some of my thoughts. Lazy people already are lazy and actually cost far more than just cutting a check for 1000.

Non lazy people getting money would be a stimulus. My wife and I wouldn't stop working for 12k a year. We would probably buy say a new playhouse or fridge. Maybe we have to move for work and don't have to use the credit cards...

In terms of a town where a large employer moves 1000 a month is 1000x the population that will still buy at least part of what they used to.

The downside and real danger is would it make more people lazy...I don't think 12k is enough to do that. Welfare gets you more now in many states.

But who knows what unintended consequences would occur.

Why we need AI is not important. It just is. It is the nature of competition. To be better than yesterday or best your competitor.

For instance it sees shades of grey a dr can not in x ray. So it finds tumors faster and can process many more x Ray's.

Genetic engineering will eventually cure disease through gentics or rewrite the code to not have them at conception. This is already on human trials in different degrees...
Next will be traits including IQ. WHO is having talks about this. Most of the public totally ignorant of how fast it's coming.

As a landlord the decent house to live in thing is a job creator. The people that would get a free house would expect the government to do the upkeep too. You would be surprised how many people have no idea what home repairs cost. Fix a screen they think $5 well it's $40 or so. Broken door lock close to $100 they aren't going to fix something they have no sweat into. I've seen people give their kids a house only to have the county get it in 3 years because of taxes.

a reply to: luthier

Democratic access to technology?

Explain what that even means please.

How can political access, prevent a threat, that's more likely to be caused due to political access than the restriction of...

Personally, I look forward to a world like that depicted in Terminator. At least then the threat is known and everyone knows what side they're on.

As it is today, we don't have any clear indication of who the threat is until they activity are threatening.

People fighting people because they are ignorant of
being the same thing they accuse the opposition of.

Point is, I would rather fight a soulless machine than my fellow human. But that's fiction and real life has become a persistent form of self perpetuating conflict.

Politicians are good for one thing, diplomacy.

Once that fails they failed, and the political option is off the table once a military solution is presented

Stop allowing politicians to get us into wars, if they aren't the ones fighting them.

Show me the last time we had a Combat Veteran in the Whitehouse, let alone as a majority in the DC arena.

That, is why we have been at constant war...

Because politicians are parasites and will never take responsibility for their own actions.

We need leaders not posers, we need worldly experienced people to be State's men and woman, not some half assed political hack making a career of failure.

If we held politicians to the same standards as a company, these asshats would be out on their asses after screwing up for decades, not getting promoted and a raise.

Politicians are not here to help We the People, trust me if they were, they wouldn't have perpetuated the problems for decades while pretending to care.

Career parasite politicians are just as much the problem as a bloated government is.
Especially democrats...

Remember government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem. In turn that includes the politicans who have made a career in politics.

So no, I do not want political access to anything, let alone ai. Especially democratic politicians, they are the ones blaming every one else for the problems they created.

Democratic party is a domestic threat, as far as I'm concerned democrats are the enemy.

The USofA is a Constitutional Republic, always was and always will be.

I'm not going to change my mind on that, don't try.

a reply to: mikell

As a carpenter I have a pretty good idea. When giving quotes people are shocked because you can get electronics for next to nothing and seem so complicated compared to repairing a home.

I had a customer that wanted some exotic wood vanities in the bathroom. They assumed if I made them eurostyle with plywood they would be cheap. Well guess what exotic plywood inst common. HGTV may have some buy most places make or order such things and its $$$. When they finally agreed on the price after getting many quotes the guy was so pissed he would leave the trash bag in the morning for me to bring over to his barrels during install. I never did of coarse even after he asked again..

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: luthier


Watched the video. I must say the thought of trucks driving around without drivers scares the heck out of me.

UBI sounds like welfare without all the red tape involved, although I believe it could help in cases where people would like to be retrained or educated, but what about the ones with idle hands doing the work of the devil.

On the other hand, more women would be able to stay home and actually raise their own children, which is needed IMO.

It might free up the highways a little, congestion wise.


Have to give it some thought as to the possible downfalls!

All totally reasonable. I agree with your assessment. I don't know a ubi is good either.

Some of my thoughts. Lazy people already are lazy and actually cost far more than just cutting a check for 1000.

Non lazy people getting money would be a stimulus. My wife and I wouldn't stop working for 12k a year. We would probably buy say a new playhouse or fridge. Maybe we have to move for work and don't have to use the credit cards...

In terms of a town where a large employer moves 1000 a month is 1000x the population that will still buy at least part of what they used to.

The downside and real danger is would it make more people lazy...I don't think 12k is enough to do that. Welfare gets you more now in many states.

But who knows what unintended consequences would occur.

Why we need AI is not important. It just is. It is the nature of competition. To be better than yesterday or best your competitor.

For instance it sees shades of grey a dr can not in x ray. So it finds tumors faster and can process many more x Ray's.

Genetic engineering will eventually cure disease through gentics or rewrite the code to not have them at conception. This is already on human trials in different degrees...
Next will be traits including IQ. WHO is having talks about this. Most of the public totally ignorant of how fast it's coming.

Better imaging I’m fine with that!

AI driving trucks, nope!

So this is our future: Tremendous loss of jobs due to AI, designer babies for people with the means to do so, more people homeless yet they are not allowed to sleep in public places. Greed, overpopulation. Makes me want to build a treehouse some days.

People always want more! We need balance and birth control!

a reply to: dfnj2015

If we didn't have to help the lazy, imagine how much more we could help the poor.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Damn you double post Gremlin !!!

a reply to: ADVISOR

I have sympathy for a lot of what you are saying but it doesn't address the problems.

Democratic access would be society having real debates about the dangers of how technology can control humanity like never before.

How about only the wealthy can afford to design their kids to have no diseases and higher iq's?

I am referring to society either a political grass roots through blockchain etc..or through politics having control over the laws and access to technology that can enslave humanity. Not just in a terminator way..

What if only Google controls most of the AI. Should they be the ones enslaving humanity. Using deep fakes to manipulate, deplatforming etc...

originally posted by: KTemplar

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: luthier


Watched the video. I must say the thought of trucks driving around without drivers scares the heck out of me.

UBI sounds like welfare without all the red tape involved, although I believe it could help in cases where people would like to be retrained or educated, but what about the ones with idle hands doing the work of the devil.

On the other hand, more women would be able to stay home and actually raise their own children, which is needed IMO.

It might free up the highways a little, congestion wise.


Have to give it some thought as to the possible downfalls!

All totally reasonable. I agree with your assessment. I don't know a ubi is good either.

Some of my thoughts. Lazy people already are lazy and actually cost far more than just cutting a check for 1000.

Non lazy people getting money would be a stimulus. My wife and I wouldn't stop working for 12k a year. We would probably buy say a new playhouse or fridge. Maybe we have to move for work and don't have to use the credit cards...

In terms of a town where a large employer moves 1000 a month is 1000x the population that will still buy at least part of what they used to.

The downside and real danger is would it make more people lazy...I don't think 12k is enough to do that. Welfare gets you more now in many states.

But who knows what unintended consequences would occur.

Why we need AI is not important. It just is. It is the nature of competition. To be better than yesterday or best your competitor.

For instance it sees shades of grey a dr can not in x ray. So it finds tumors faster and can process many more x Ray's.

Genetic engineering will eventually cure disease through gentics or rewrite the code to not have them at conception. This is already on human trials in different degrees...
Next will be traits including IQ. WHO is having talks about this. Most of the public totally ignorant of how fast it's coming.

Better imaging I’m fine with that!

AI driving trucks, nope!

So this is our future: Tremendous loss of jobs due to AI, designer babies for people with the means to do so, more people homeless yet they are not allowed to sleep in public places. Greed, overpopulation. Makes me want to build a treehouse some days.

People always want more! We need balance and birth control!

This is the future if society thinks different opinions are the enemy and we can't debate what is good for everyone by sharpening philosophy with honest debate.

Shapiro and Yang did a great service in that debate. I agree with some of both of them and I think about it.

Self driving trucks is how Amazon will keep cheaper goods and control costs. Do we have a right to control that? Should it be taxed somehow to help with job loss restructure?

I don't know but I do know that isn't being talked about with all this culture war propaganda.

originally posted by: ADVISOR

originally posted by: willzilla
The federal reserve prints money that it loans to the government. That is why we pay income taxes. Federal reserve act signed by Woodrow Wilson.

No, not even close.

History lesson time;

The first income tax was created in 1861 during the Civil War as a mechanism to finance the war effort. In addition, Congress passed the Internal Revenue Act in 1862 which created the Bureau of Internal Revenue, an eventual predecessor to the IRS.

US Income Tax History, Taxucation

Which later was rolled back. 16th Amendment is when it was made permanent. Ironically also in 1913.

a reply to: 727Sky

During World War One and World War Two, War Bonds were sold to the populace to offset the cost of America transitioning and maintaining a declared war status.

Wiki, War Bonds

Of course this didn't offset the real cost of doing war on multi fronts, but it helped.

I propose that the Government sell to the citizens AI Bonds or maybe call them Automation Bonds. Buy as many as you can afford and use them to supplement Social Security, retirement funds, IRAs, etc. Just a thought...

BTW, where does all the lottery money disappear to?

a reply to: NightFlight

Love it..needs to be discussed and debated. Very similar to the healthcare debate. Which doesn't exist either.

The healthcare debate goes like this Democrats make a secret bill that gets voted through. Flawed and political but also not as terribly socialist as many new proposals.
Republicans get outraged over this get re elected and when the time came the dog ate everyone's homework. Now they either are working on their secret bill or just have decided to focus on their vacation time that comes up every quarter.

Humans are an intermediate species.
We'll make great pets for the robot overlords we spawn.
Money is a rapidly failing concept. Like gods.

Dems are for the workers as yr orange idiot is for himself and the other super rich.I'm voting dem I am also a fulltime worker I get zero handouts but am happy some of my tax dollers help the poor .I'm glade we have safety nets god forbid I may need one one day.we have money for wars but can't feed the poor gtfoh.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You would be surprised at the number of people who think United States can just print money and pass it around.