Trump didn't win because of Russia he won because Clinton was a horrible candidate

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Arnie123

Just a sad second class citizen on a tiny movie set of an island.
No more no less

We don't have anything like Detroit, St Louis, Reno, Chicago or Cleveland on our islands.

You should be so proud.

What a shame, despite what you hear of those places, they are rich in culture and heritage, each with history that helped build this great nation.

You're right though, you DON'T have anything like that, hence your narrowmindedness

You can fertilize all sorts of things with the right excrement.

... but few would willingly bathe in it.

Right...right, just like how you "Fertilize" your mind with fake news, the "excrement" if you will...and come on lets be real, you willingly bathe in it. I mean, amirite? asking for a friend...

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Arnie123

Just a sad second class citizen on a tiny movie set of an island.
No more no less

We don't have anything like Detroit, St Louis, Reno, Chicago or Cleveland on our islands.

You should be so proud.

What a shame, despite what you hear of those places, they are rich in culture and heritage, each with history that helped build this great nation.

You're right though, you DON'T have anything like that, hence your narrowmindedness

You can fertilize all sorts of things with the right excrement.

... but few would willingly bathe in it.

Right...right, just like how you "Fertilize" your mind with fake news, the "excrement" if you will...and come on lets be real, you willingly bathe in it. I mean, amirite? asking for a friend...

You seem to be laboring under the mistaken belief that I follow the American news media.

I find that American news outlets can take a 30 second offhand quote done in haste and poorly considered and then turn it into weeks of opinion pieces and 'commentary'.

I'd much rather reportage of the facts accurately and concisely as possible, with supportive links that don't point to mere opinion pieces.

Again, this brings us back to the question of the public perception of Hillary being a 'bad candidate' and why, and how, they might have this belief.

a reply to: chr0naut

Honestly I don't believe that, you do follow American media.

...and for the record, this,

I find that American news outlets can take a 30 second offhand quote done in haste and poorly considered and then turn it into weeks of opinion pieces and 'commentary'.

It's called, "Soundbites", you literally described the state of all first world media.

Education and research is key to gaining the advantage on real data to consume. Methods that help to break down the context and language use can help to determine hit pieces and fake news. The biggest take away in today's media is the language used, anyone educated could easily see this.


The public perception of Hillary being the bad candidate was true, she was indeed a bad candidate.

a reply to: chr0naut

Yet Obama's birth certificate was part of the Russian disinformation...

What kind of happy horse# is this?

The original smear against Obama was that he was a crypto-Muslim, floated in 2004 by perennial Illinois political candidate and serial litigant Andy Martin.
...
Then, as Obama marched toward the presidency, a new suggestion emerged: That he was not eligible to serve. (See: Birther debate alive across U.S.)

That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008.

Birtherism: Where it all began - Politico

So Hillary's own campaig staff were spreading Russian propaganda?

Trump won because Hillary colluded with the DNC and mainstream media to undermine Bernie Sanders' bid for the presidency, effectively committing fraud on the American people. As a result, many people voted against their best interests, me included, simply because I refused to support Hillary after cheating at such a crucial time in history. Had Hillary won the Democratic nomination fair and square, I would have supported her. But, she did not; and I refused to play the game. And I was not alone.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Arnie123

Just a sad second class citizen on a tiny movie set of an island.
No more no less

We don't have anything like Detroit, St Louis, Reno, Chicago or Cleveland on our islands.

You should be so proud.

Who is we?
Are you french now ?
Lol
Which nation would you be referring to as you ran from your native land?
Lol "we"
That is a laff riot

Oh btw
Any of those cities you referenced are better than where you are, as they are in the usa.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: chr0naut

Yet Obama's birth certificate was part of the Russian disinformation...

What kind of happy horse# is this?

The original smear against Obama was that he was a crypto-Muslim, floated in 2004 by perennial Illinois political candidate and serial litigant Andy Martin.

Andy Martin has been a Republican since 1990.

...
Then, as Obama marched toward the presidency, a new suggestion emerged: That he was not eligible to serve. (See: Birther debate alive across U.S.)

That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.

The 2008 e-mail was anonymously forwarded, but was from Celeste Davis. It was anonymously forwarded 'to' some Democratic supporters (among others). This does not equate to it being the product of the Clinton campaign staff.

Also, the "Democratic Movement Party of Kenya" is not the American Democratic Party. A second thing that your source article got wrong.

Barack Obama and Kenya Connection E-mail from missionary describes Barack Obama's connection to political events in Kenya (with email text) - Snopes.com

However it was originated, the birther lies were used in the Russian disinformation campaign and were identified as being broadcast from Russian sources, against the 2016 election campaigns, by the then President Obama, as is noted several times in the Mueller report.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008.

Birtherism: Where it all began - Politico

So Hillary's own campaig staff were spreading Russian propaganda?

No, the only link I can find to Hillary's campaign is that one of her campaign staffers had questioned Obama's Christian faith, part of the original 2004 BS, originally perpetrated by the Republican Andy Martin.

The Politico article is yet another example of the poor quality of reportage and speculative opinion based nature of the US Media.

But it doesn't really matter about the sources of the allegations, the issue was that they were part of the Russian disinformation campaign, as is documented in the Mueller report, and which was what I was suggesting in my post.

But your opinions, being based upon someone else's opinion's of which there is scant actual hard evidence and a lot of dubious supposition, is not an example of the effectiveness of the disinformation campaign?

You rest my case, your honor.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Arnie123

Just a sad second class citizen on a tiny movie set of an island.
No more no less

We don't have anything like Detroit, St Louis, Reno, Chicago or Cleveland on our islands.

You should be so proud.

Who is we?
Are you french now ?
Lol
Which nation would you be referring to as you ran from your native land?
Lol "we"
That is a laff riot

Oh btw
Any of those cities you referenced are better than where you are, as they are in the usa.

"We" are the citizens and inhabitants of Australia & New Zealand.

Nearly the happiest and best places to live, in the world. As adjudged by those who live elsewhere.

Trump and Hillary were the two worst candidates available. Trump is goofy but smart. Hillary is evil and unlikable. All the cheating she did to get the nomination also pissed off a lot of people. I might have voted for Bernie at the time, but I actively voted against Hillary.

a reply to: chr0naut

With you as the reference,I respectfully disagree as you appear to be the most miserable person on the rock.
"Happy" people aren't trolls.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

With you as the reference,I respectfully disagree as you appear to be the most miserable person on the rock.
"Happy" people aren't trolls.

Keep telling yourself that. Echo it round to all your contacts.

I'm not trolling by pointing out that people here dislike Hillary but when they give their reasons, they repeat the stuff that was in the Russian disinformation, yet they are adamant that [sarcasm]'the Russian disinformation can't possibly have affected them'[/sarcasm].



The truth is, that the Russian disinformation and propaganda has been broadcast to the American public through online anonymous media - for years before the campaign - and is so pervasive that the American public can no longer discriminate between it and the truth. Feed this into the right-whinger echo chambers - for years before the campaign - and this is the result.

I'm not really a target for the Russians, not being American, but I have seen years of the same and often repeated online crap.

I am the type who follows up and verifies and as a result am usually a dissenting voice, but I am only one and the disinformation always floods out anything I might say.

So, call me a troll, it doesn't affect me. I am disagreeing with an acknowledged and organized real trolling campaign with hundreds of contributors, which you appear to have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

a reply to: chr0naut

Yes...

He only follows laughably researched conservative conspiracy sites ...

Lol

a reply to: chr0naut

No source
All opinion
All troll
All the time

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: neoholographic

Since candidate A won the popular vote by more than 3M votes and has been proven to have colluded with Russia in the lead up to the 2016 election, everyone who voted for her is a brainwashed tool of the deep state.

Yeah she at the time won the popular election but after researching it was determined that 40 million who voted for her were either passed away or Illegal (ok so it was only like 4 million but 40 sounds like we are not as moronic.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

No source
All opinion
All troll
All the time

I referenced Snopes and the Mueller report in a previous post.

And in reference to my previously un-linked assertion about the relative the Happiness of particular countries:

Ranked: The 10 Happiest Countries In The World In 2018 - Forbes

TOP 5 HAPPIEST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD - National Geographic

These are the happiest countries in the world - The World Economic Forum

Also, I have noticed that you haven't posted a single supportive link to anything you have said in this topic thread.

Perhaps you are the troll and you just haven't realized it yet?

a reply to: chr0naut

Snopes is crap
Mueller didn't show 1 vote changed
You INVENTED that bit
Unless you have a source, which you dont
Nothing but a nationless globalist anti american troll

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Arnie123

Just a sad second class citizen on a tiny movie set of an island.
No more no less

We don't have anything like Detroit, St Louis, Reno, Chicago or Cleveland on our islands.

You should be so proud.

No you should be proud you do not have democrats controlling your major cities hence you do not have a Chicago, St Louis, Detroit, Reno. or Cleveland down there. Not only should you be proud you should be thankful. You left out LA though and that is far worse than any of the midwest towns you are trying to criticize, with the not so long ago outbreak of ....... there along with the feces and garbage in the streets why would you forget about LA?

a reply to: chr0naut

Wrong, I did not like Hilary long before she ran for president (didn't vote for her husband either as Mickey Mouse was my first Presidential vote and my reasons are far better that the "Russian disinformation" you are clamoring about. Read her book "it takes a village" to see her blatant racism (in the 1st chapter nonetheless) follow that with her rants on the congress floor about it, add in her mentor used to be a grand wizard of the KKK, and you might realize while whatever "Russia" put out there pales in comparison to what we already knew about her. The citizens of this country were sick and tired of her and did not ever want her to be president ever! You should worry about your own neck of the woods and quit trying to figure out ours. That should be your focus since you are not residing here but like to ramble about our politics while not even knowing what it is like to taste the sweetness of American Exceptionalism as you are not one of us possibly one who wishes he could smell the sweet air of our Great Nation but still are not part of it.

a reply to: CrazyFox

while not even knowing what it is like to taste the sweetness of American Exceptionalism as you are not one of us possibly one who wishes he could smell the sweet air of our Great Nation but still are not part of it.

You are spot on
A very astute analysis
Well done

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

Snopes is crap
Mueller didn't show 1 vote changed
You INVENTED that bit
Unless you have a source, which you dont
Nothing but a nationless globalist anti american troll

I never made any claims that the Mueller report showed that any votes were changed, I said that the Mueller report identified the origin of anti-Hillary/Obama disinformation campaign.

I clearly didn't "INVENT that bit", that apparently only occurred in your head (is the capitalization important?).

I'm not nation-less, I've got two. I am an Australian citizen, resident in New Zealand.

... but I think I might be a globalist. After all, this is the Internet age, and I can converse with people from all over the world, in real-time. I could even transact business internationally, if I so wished. A world of wonders!