The Hypocritical Left

An situation is happening in Portland OR that seems to me to be a great example of just how hypocritical the left really is. Our teachers went on strike to get raises "you know its for the kids" and they got their raises. Recently Governor Kate Brown, bless her little heart, has come out to say that their over inflated and impractical retirement plan PERS is in trouble to the tune of 22 billion, so to help with this she wants all educators to give 1% of their wages into this program as true socialist as they are should do.

OR's PERS is basically 1.5% of your gross for each year you work, so a person that make 50,000 for 30 years would get 45% of 50,000...seems reasonable, but there is no limit or minimum years if you reach retirement years you get 1.5% X 3 if you only worked for 3 years. The highest per month paid is an eye surgeon who retired as head of the Oregon Health & Science University and he gets 76,000 PER MONTH!! Prior football coach of four years for the Ducks gets 61,000 PER MONTH. 1000s of retirees get well over 100,000 per year as people found ways to manipulate their numbers to their advantage. I have heard stories that a person gets put into a high paying position for a short period of time to boost their PERS earnings to close to what their normal pay was.

So here we are 22 billion in debt, and now to my point. The teachers are now protesting the 1% and so schools will be shut down during this protesting of them paying 1% into PERS in an attempt to work to save it and we keep seeing the same thing over and over of the left wanting to have very expensive things but when it actually costs them out of pocket money, and not just the "evil rich" to pay for it, they all freak out.

We see the same thing with Trump suggesting to send illegals to sanctuary city and the left screams OH HELL NO!! We see it with "homeless friendly" cities that invite them and do not add an ounce of infrastructure for support and the cities become "homeless hostile" instead, so on and so on...Even makes me think about the guy that went to Berkeley and asked the socialist there if everyone dumped all their money in a pool and gave equal shares is that good, and everyone of them said YES! Then asked if they would give up an A for a class to make a person with an F and them both Cs the answer was once again OH HELL NO!!

It seems when things come close to home whether out of pocket or even a homeless trying to live nearby the left become not so nice of an animal as they pretend to be.

Everyone wants because everyone is greedy. They are all in denial about it though. They all got taught that only someone with wealth can be greedy.

Hypocrites are on both sides just different issues.

a reply to: Xtrozero

The Hypocritical Left

And the Hypocritical right.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Hypocrites are on both sides just different issues.

Are you implying that it is justified because others do it?

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: Xtrozero

The Hypocritical Left

And the Hypocritical right.

That is classic deflection. If you do feel that way, please start a thread to discuss that side. But it doesn't apply here, since this discussion is about the actions of the politically left.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Hypocrites are on both sides just different issues.

True and right on cue we get the "what about the right"? The problem is the magnitude what what we see from the left these days all the way down to the individual. I have issues when people demand things they are unwilling to pay for or support personally. The old saying "Don't let your mouth write checks your body can't cash" comes to mind...seems to be something the left has forgotten.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
An situation is happening in Portland OR that seems to me to be a great example of just how hypocritical the left really is. Our teachers went on strike to get raises "you know its for the kids" and they got their raises. Recently Governor Kate Brown, bless her little heart, has come out to say that their over inflated and impractical retirement plan PERS is in trouble to the tune of 22 billion, so to help with this she wants all educators to give 1% of their wages into this program as true socialist as they are should do.

OR's PERS is basically 1.5% of your gross for each year you work, so a person that make 50,000 for 30 years would get 45% of 50,000...seems reasonable, but there is no limit or minimum years if you reach retirement years you get 1.5% X 3 if you only worked for 3 years. The highest per month paid is an eye surgeon who retired as head of the Oregon Health & Science University and he gets 76,000 PER MONTH!! Prior football coach of four years for the Ducks gets 61,000 PER MONTH. 1000s of retirees get well over 100,000 per year as people found ways to manipulate their numbers to their advantage. I have heard stories that a person gets put into a high paying position for a short period of time to boost their PERS earnings to close to what their normal pay was.

So here we are 22 billion in debt, and now to my point. The teachers are now protesting the 1% and so schools will be shut down during this protesting of them paying 1% into PERS and we keep seeing the same thing over and over of the left wanting to have very expensive things but when it actually costs them out of pocket money, and not just the "evil rich" to pay for it, they all freak out.

We see the same thing with Trump suggesting to send illegals to sanctuary city and the left screams OH HELL NO!! We see it with "homeless friendly" cities that invite them and do not add an ounce of infrastructure for support and the cities become "homeless hostile" instead, so on and so on...Even makes me think about the guy that went to Berkeley and asked the socialist there if everyone dumped all their money in a pool and gave equal shares is that good, and everyone of them said YES! Then asked if they would give up an A for a class to make a person with an F and them both Cs the answer was once again OH HELL NO!!

It seems when things come close to home whether out of pocket or even a homeless trying to live near by the left become not so nice of an animal as they pretend to be.

Teacher pensions are what is bankrupting most states. The retirement benefits far and away exceed any reasonable contributions. Here in Illinois, we have almost the highest property taxes in the US mainly because we are paying for the lavish retirement of teachers and government workers.

The retirement benefits that they receive is literally like having a couple of million in retirement.

Of course, what is even more ironic is that the recipients of said pensions often don't understand that the pension plans are invested in private equity, the stock market, etc. You know, those evil Wall Street bankers. These same people will often support more liberal policies that further reduce the returns that the pension fund earns thus further hurting the pension's ability to pay their retirement.

a reply to: Xtrozero

No, whataboutery would be pointing out how the right screams for a stronger military while a single plane can cost a billion dollars and we have troops stationed in over 150 countries and at the same time call for reduced taxes.

That is whataboutism. I simply said hypocrites are on both sides. Maybe I should have just pointed out that you accusing only the left on this issue is dumb. Unless you can prove none of those teachers are republican.

originally posted by: Edumakated

Teacher pensions are what is bankrupting most states. The retirement benefits far and away exceed any reasonable contributions. Here in Illinois, we have almost the highest property taxes in the US mainly because we are paying for the lavish retirement of teachers and government workers.

The retirement benefits that they receive is literally like having a couple of million in retirement.

Of course, what is even more ironic is that the recipients of said pensions often don't understand that the pension plans are invested in private equity, the stock market, etc. You know, those evil Wall Street bankers. These same people will often support more liberal policies that further reduce the returns that the pension fund earns thus further hurting the pension's ability to pay their retirement.

OR is cutting back on cops and other services, classrooms are reaching unacceptable student to teacher ratios, little services for those in need, continued increases in taxes, even some crazy carbon taxes. Much of these problems are because of the cost of PERS and the amount is rising extremely fast.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Edumakated

Teacher pensions are what is bankrupting most states. The retirement benefits far and away exceed any reasonable contributions. Here in Illinois, we have almost the highest property taxes in the US mainly because we are paying for the lavish retirement of teachers and government workers.

The retirement benefits that they receive is literally like having a couple of million in retirement.

Of course, what is even more ironic is that the recipients of said pensions often don't understand that the pension plans are invested in private equity, the stock market, etc. You know, those evil Wall Street bankers. These same people will often support more liberal policies that further reduce the returns that the pension fund earns thus further hurting the pension's ability to pay their retirement.

OR is cutting back on cops and other services, classrooms are reaching unacceptable student to teacher ratios, little services for those in need, continued increases in taxes, even some crazy carbon taxes. Much of these problems are because of the cost of PERS and the amount is rising extremely fast.

The pensions aren't sustainable because politicians leave them underfunded (which should be illegal) and the math simply doesn't work on them anymore because people are living longer but also still retiring in their early 50s. When these pensions were first set up, people often died by 60... now people regularly live in their late 70s/80s.

The level of benefits the typical teacher gets in retirement is simply beyond any measure of their actual contribution to the pension.

A person working in the private sector who would want to get say $75,000 a year in retirement (not including social security) would need about $1.875 million saved for retirement if you assume they draw down about 4% a year. What teachers do you know that have contributed enough to their retirement that they'd have $1.8 million saved?

People who make several hundred grand a year over the course of a career typically don't have that much saved...

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Xtrozero

No, whataboutery would be pointing out how the right screams for a stronger military while a single plane can cost a billion dollars and we have troops stationed in over 150 countries and at the same time call for reduced taxes.

That is whataboutism. I simply said hypocrites are on both sides. Maybe I should have just pointed out that you accusing only the left on this issue is dumb. Unless you can prove none of those teachers are republican.

The right has their own issues, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find an equivalent example like this one at the state level like pensions. Since when have teachers unions voted for Republicans? Sure, you may find a handful of teachers who are conservative, but by in large, teachers are owned by Democrats.

At the federal level, I don't like how Republicans support corporate subsidies. However, many conservatives actually speak out against those. I don't think you will find too many liberals speaking out against pension abuse and the resulting economic problems they are causing.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

No, whataboutery would be pointing out how the right screams for a stronger military while a single plane can cost a billion dollars and we have troops stationed in over 150 countries and at the same time call for reduced taxes.

You are talking about priorities here which is still needed when reducing taxes because we still have costs in everything, but even with that it seems Trump wants to pull back from around the world, wants other countries to pay for their military and share in actions etc, he wants to demilitarize Korea to create further reduction, so on and so on...Doesn't seem to hypocritical to me and is something no other President has tried to tackle.

That is whataboutism. I simply said hypocrites are on both sides. Maybe I should have just pointed out that you accusing only the left on this issue is dumb. Unless you can prove none of those teachers are republican.

So when the State is extremely liberal, and education in general is a very liberal unionized system you suggest that if even one teacher in an extremely liberal part of the country is conservative then my post is ambiguous?

OK lol

a reply to: Edumakated

People who make several hundred grand a year over the course of a career typically don't have that much saved...

Maybe that is the problem? I am just a sheetmetal worker... I make over 50k a year,,, x 30 years is 1.5 million is it not?

If teachers only make several hundred thousand over their career? Maybe that is the problem.

I guess i misspoke... you are saying teachers make several hundred thousand a year??? well never mind lol...

originally posted by: tinner07
a reply to: Edumakated

People who make several hundred grand a year over the course of a career typically don't have that much saved...

Maybe that is the problem? I am just a sheetmetal worker... I make over 50k a year,,, x 30 years is 1.5 million is it not?

If teachers only make several hundred thousand over their career? Maybe that is the problem.

I guess i misspoke... you are saying teachers make several hundred thousand a year??? well never mind lol...

Teachers retirement benefits are equivalent in many cases if you had saved almost $2 million dollars.

My point was that it is very difficult to save $2 million dollars, even for people who make a helluva lot more than teachers. This is why the pension system is going broke. The benefits being paid out are far in excess of any of the contributions teachers have made for their own retirement.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Why do public school teachers believe they should be paid more than police, firefighters, EMS, construction, roads, mechanics, shelf stockers or any other number of folks who are the glue that keeps the country together?

They want more money to indoctrinate young minds with far left poison? No thanks. They want more money prove they deserve it, start producing students who think critically, examine raw evidence/facts and question anything they are told

a reply to: Grimpachi

Nonsense

You can still cut taxes. By defunding and cutting out the fluff. Trimming the fat, so to speak.

FYI, this President has been keeping us away from foreign entanglements, etc. America First does not mean World Police. It means we put our country first, in all matters, and only act Internationally when our interests are threatened. Or the interests of a very select few aligned nations

Cut out public schools for one thing. Money should follow the student, not the school. Private institutions and get-a-job-early programs (for failing students, or those incapable of achieving at high levels) are a great by-product of this. Parents use schools as daycares, and their underachieving kids should not get a free ride from 5-18

Teacher protests solved. Fire them If they're unionized, toss the whole Union. They'd be amazed how many still show up for work

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Xtrozero

Why do public school teachers believe they should be paid more than police, firefighters, EMS, construction, roads, mechanics, shelf stockers or any other number of folks who are the glue that keeps the country together?

I don't have an issue with teacher pay, I would like the best teaching my children, so if that was 100k then so be it, but that is not my point. Experienced teachers in OR will max out at 58k, cops make 50 to 60k, so for me that seems low compared to the others in the education system that do not teach that make 6 figures. Teachers are like the lowest paid in the system and that is wrong, but goes down a path of why our education system is so broken.

My point is they are willing to protest to the point of shutting down schools because they do not want to pay 300 to 500 per year into their PERS system. The Hypocritical aspect here is they are more socialized in belief until it actually costs them anything, even when it is actually very little. We see this in just about every area that the left seems to push the socialized/empathy point and they fail when it comes close to home.

a reply to: Xtrozero

... meet the hypocritical right.

... who are complaining that their 'tax breaks' might go towards the riff-raff, rather than their rich fat a$$ets.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Xtrozero

... meet the hypocritical right.

... who are complaining that their 'tax breaks' might go towards the riff-raff, rather than their rich fat a$$ets.

I don't quite follow you. Could you explain your position please?

Thanks