Something is breaking in Hanoi

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TheRedneck

vast progress is being made.

For example?

The two leaders of the Koreas walked across the border into one another’s country and shook hands.

One tiny example but it’s most definitely progress.

South Korean President openly stated on television that the full credit for dialogue between the countries belongs to President Trump.

That happened.

a reply to: Breakthestreak

South Korean President openly stated on television that the full credit for dialogue between the countries belongs to President Trump.

Actually, I think Moon doesn't get nearly as much credit as he should. But he is humble.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Breakthestreak

South Korean President openly stated on television that the full credit for dialogue between the countries belongs to President Trump.

Actually, I think Moon doesn't get nearly as much credit as he should.

Neither do I.

But he gave the full credit to President Trump.

Progress though? Or you cannot go against programming and say “yes, I agree, it qualifies as progress”?

a reply to: Breakthestreak

Neither do I.

Tell Trump.


What progress? Exactly?

What has changed? No nukes in North Korea anymore? No threat? Peace?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Breakthestreak

What progress? Exactly?

What has changed? No nukes in North Korea anymore? No threat? Peace?

Open peaceful dialogue. Which they all seem pleased about. An noticeable lack of aggression on the peninsula.

Yeah you’re right. That’s not progress. At all. Obama would have denuclearised the whole place. Anything short of that is a total waste of time and a failure.

Orange Man is NOT bad, despite what comedy central says.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TheRedneck

vast progress is being made.

For example?

The two leaders of the Koreas walked across the border into one another’s country and shook hands.

One tiny example but it’s most definitely progress.

South Korean President openly stated on television that the full credit for dialogue between the countries belongs to President Trump.

That happened.

Far cry from the nuclear annihilation we were promised during the elections, much to the chagrin of the press and those doomsday clock prophets.

a reply to: Breakthestreak

Open peaceful dialogue.

Validation of a dictator who possesses nuclear weapons by the president of the US fuking A. Kim has more power now than he ever has. He said no to Trump!

a reply to: MadLad

The meetings and gestures of good will alone are unprecedented. It’s all progress.

This is true enough.

What would have really worried me is if Trump had used the "Rocket Man" reference (or something similar). I got a pretty good idea of his negotiation strategy watching that. Trump uses flattery a lot... it's not sincere, but it works. He only uses the base rhetoric when his opponent is totally uncooperative and he believes no agreement is possible.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TheRedneck

vast progress is being made.

For example?

The two leaders of the Koreas walked across the border into one another’s country and shook hands.

One tiny example but it’s most definitely progress.

South Korean President openly stated on television that the full credit for dialogue between the countries belongs to President Trump.

That happened.

Far cry from the nuclear annihilation we were promised during the elections, much to the chagrin of the press and those doomsday clock prophets.

And dialogue has at least begun. We have to expect a long road and setbacks but over time, total peace is not out of the question. thanks to President Trump, among others.

The left only see this as a failure or a negative because cNn says it is.

Like the vast majority of Earth, I see every meeting between them as progress.

(When climbing a mountain, every step is progress. Not just the milestones. You know that, right Phage?)

a reply to: MadLad

Far cry from the nuclear annihilation we were promised during the elections

By whom?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Open peaceful dialogue.

Validation of a dictator who possesses nuclear weapons by the president of the US fuking A. Kim has more power now than he ever has. He said no.

Setbacks are expected. It’s a long road to walk but every step is progress.

Be happy Phage. You’ve got a great President again.

a reply to: Breakthestreak

It’s a long road to walk but every step is progress.

That sounds like something Mao would say.

You’ve got a great President again.

Again?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Breakthestreak

It’s a long road to walk but every step is progress.

That sounds like something Mao would say.

I get it. Orange Man Bad.
It’s ok, I know you’re smart enough to see this dialogue as a good first step in the process but you don’t want to openly state it because, like the hivemind says, Orange Man, no bueno

a reply to: Phage

Based on what I heard, it was Trump who said no. Kim wanted full sanctions lifted in exchange for a single dismantling of a nuclear site. If that is true, I'm glad Trump said no... otherwise, there would be no sanctions to bring Kim to the table and Kim would still have his nukes.

The only validation Kim got was that of a small child who is told to eat his veggies before he gets desert. Kim didn't eat his veggies, and he got no dessert. Wow, what a hero! He said no and got nothing.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Phage

There’s been great Presidents before. He’s not the first but he may end up on Rushmore someday.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Zeropinion

Bush didn't give Kim the honor of a sit down with the president of the United States. Bush gave Kim nothing.

Obama didn't give Kim the honor of a sit down. Obama gave Kim nothing.

Kim's don't care about the sit-down as much as they do sanction relief, both those guys lifted sanctions on Lil Kim's word, both got played repeatedly.
Listening to Hillary she said the exact same thing. Impose sanctions until he promises to behave, then lift sanctions and see if he behaves, if he doesn't re-impose sanctions.
Lather rinse repeat.
The policy makers of this country, the experts you are so fond of, have been trying that method for over twenty years.
What's the definition of insanity?
Parroting Obama's "a nuclear north Korea is is the new normal" is just an extension of the stupidity.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Based on what I heard,

From whom?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MadLad

Far cry from the nuclear annihilation we were promised during the elections

By whom?

Apparently North Korean propaganda was saying Kim deserves a Nobel peace prize for his peace making. Doesn’t sound like your imaginative narrative has taken hold quite yet.

a reply to: MadLad


Apparently Trump thinks Trump deserves a Peace Prize.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MadLad


Apparently Trump thinks Trump deserves a Peace Prize.

I imagine he’s penned in as a nominee.

Which is a good thing Phage. Not a bad thing.