Pompeo America obligated to fight Hezbollah in Venezuela to save duly elected Guaido?

a reply to: TrueBrit

I could not read it all right now
you crazy bastard!
But star a cheers to you

a reply to: strongfp

Your damn right they were stopped.
Right in their tracks.

Merica feck yeah! Lets freedom some oil up!

Look how great our interfering did with Honduras...oh wait!

originally posted by: Wildmanimal
a reply to: strongfp

Your damn right they were stopped.
Right in their tracks.

No, they weren't... Selected one's were, and selected one's get exemptions from the sanctions.

For example, the sanctions included exceptions to allow the American oil company Chevron, along with Halliburton and Schlumberger, two large oil services providers, to continue working in Venezuela.

Hmmm, same names we all recognize, and I doubt anyone will be surprised... Let's dig down the rabbit hole a bit more.

(Reuters) - Venezuelan opposition leader and self-proclaimed president Juan Guaido ordered congress on Monday to appoint new boards of directors to state oil company PDVSA and U.S. subsidiary Citgo, shortly before the United States imposed sanctions on the firm.

Reuters.

Ok, so it looks like the opposition is playing with the child company of the Venezuela oil giant. Surely that would have no connections with the US, or the Trump administration.

Wrong

A U.S. subsidiary of a Venezuelan state-owned oil company that has stirred national security concerns among U.S. senators contributed $500,000 to President Donald Trump’s inaugural fund, federal disclosures show.

The rabbit hole goes much deeper than what I've posted above, sadly it would fall on deaf ears here.

a reply to: Justoneman

The US is playing the same game since WW2. Some nation wants to play in the global market, but keep most wealth within its borders for its citizens. Then oh no they cant do that, and outcomes the sanctions, the big bag boogie man labels, socialism and communism and all those terrible political ideas.

Venezuela was perfectly fine before, then they started to want to cut back on their OPEC pay outs and then it started going down hill. That's when they started taking massive loans and the nation went down hill from there.
Hmmm I wonder what caused the sudden change of heart for the US once they weren't getting their piece of the pie anymore.

hezbollah is most certainly in south America, they have spread their influence into 40 different nations across the globe and the lawless region between peru, colombia and ecuador, which is right next door to venezuela is one of the areas their influence has gotten the strongest, do you really think they wouldn't take advantage of the chaos in venezuela to spread their influence further? have you forgot how long the region has had to deal with civil war, drug cartels and terrorism?

the area has been ripe for this for decades, it was only inevitable that an enemy to America would try to exploit all this chaos to set up shop right on our doorstep.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I saw the list of sanctions on the state department page that Obama national emergencied into existence from 2014. The only one that does not target specific individuals in their government was one against their state owned oil company Their society was already collapsing at the time. I don't even recall their bank being sanctioned though, or any other specific industry like food or transport.

Could you please give the specific sanction(s) that Target or harm all of the Venezuelan people into hunger and poverty?? I may have missed it. They are all on the state department website, I just need you to cite the specific one you believe is responsible for all this poverty due to corruption and mismanagement.

And Hezbollah is an international designated terrorists group, so if Maduro is providing them safe harbor, his funeral.

a reply to: CriticalStinker
But which brutal regimes do we support who are starving their own people on such a scale?? Certainly not Saudi Arabia, which is likely the burtalost one on the list. People are not fed, they may get angry and demand a revolution. Not our fault, none of our sanctions are targeting their transport or agriculture industries.
a reply to: Grimpachi
Yes maybe you want Russian and Chinese missiles within swift striking range of Texas and gulf energy refining and distribution capacity, I prefer not. They need only hit those targets in an initial strike and this country would be on it's knees with dangerous food shortages of our own to worry about due to lack of fuel for transportation.

I would rather keep that from happening thank you. If that requires fire and brimstone raining down from someone else's sky, so be it. Better them than us.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

But which brutal regimes do we support who are starving their own people on such a scale?? Certainly not Saudi Arabia, which is likely the burtalost one on the list. People are not fed, they may get angry and demand a revolution. Not our fault, none of our sanctions are targeting their transport or agriculture industries.

There people may not be starving.... But those of Yemen are due to their actions and our support.

Crickets.

It's selective and anyone being honest knows that.


Edit: through actions Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq... And all of our interventions TrueBrit listed in SA.

a reply to: strongfp

Right.

Do you have any idea how many boxes full of cash you need to carry to buy your breakfast?

If it's fabricated by someone, it's by the fail Socialist gubment of Maduro.

a reply to: CriticalStinker
Eh, well if you want to move the goal posts that is your perrogative. Yemen became a threat to the kingdom due to Iranian revolutionary intervention which tore the country apart. Iran gets to own at least half of that misery, KSA can own the other half as it is them two raining fire and brimstone. Brutal dictators alone are not our concern. It's the plus one +1 of hunger that usually gets them. After all, a hungry population is desperate and angry. They would welcome all kinds so long as they can eat again.

And since our country subsidizes agriculture the way China does with manufacturing, we have plenty of food to feed desperate hungry populations seeking a different leader and better way of life for their people.

Don't talk about hunger in America, it's a laughable accusation. Most of the hungry are the very small minority of street dwellers who have chosen to love the way they do, or families led by #ed up parents. The number of true hungry in America barely touched a quarter of a percent of the population.

i do not trust matthew....

It is funny how in usa people said trump was not fairly elected...he laughed yet they say the same about maduro and they wanna bomb maduro.

Does anyone remember the failed assignation by drone a couple months ago. As far as i could tell that was a gift drone from potus.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

How is mentioning our past track record moving the goalposts?

How about you tell us where military intervention was a benefit for the people involved recently?

And I never said hunger in America. I brought up hunger in South America due to our interventions into countries that posed no threats and are now worse off due to our actions.

a reply to: CriticalStinker
You replied to a statement about a brutal dictators, who was starving his people (+1). I made that distinction known with my reply, then you went on about normal human behavior throughout time of war between states with a recent example., Thus moving the topic of your reply from brutal dictators who starve their own population, towards normal war between conflicting parties.

I only brought up American hunger to nip it in the bud before it was played again falsely.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

You replied to a statement about a brutal dictators, who was starving his people (+1). I made that distinction known with my reply, then you went on about normal human behavior throughout time of war between states with a recent example., Thus moving the topic of your reply from brutal dictators who starve their own population, towards normal war between conflicting parties.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I don't see most of our recent wars as "normal". Maybe in context to our foreign policy post WWII, they're unsurprising.... But what was normal about Iraq?

I don't understand how people keep bringing up "well, they're starving"... Yet they do so in a way that seems a veiled attempt to prime the war machine for a new venue.

We all know what happens then. A long unsuccessful theater.

We could send food for much cheaper. The UN could make a concerted effort so that the burden and blame isn't ours to bare, and ours alone.

That's my take. I doubt anyone can change my mind.

more imperialists propaganda and lies

same as all the others before, but people think they voted in change

a reply to: musicismagic

What are the chances of Venezuela invading the US do you think?

When the Venezuela tried to buy medicines, eg Insulin the U.S government threatened any suppliers with fines and sanctions for helping the Venezuelan government. Also the People are starving not because of the government, But because the food companies are some of the private Companies that are intentianally helping starve the people. If the Americans were really intrested in helping the Venezuelan people then why place crippling sanctions on the country.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: TrueBrit

I saw the list of sanctions on the state department page that Obama national emergencied into existence from 2014. The only one that does not target specific individuals in their government was one against their state owned oil company Their society was already collapsing at the time. I don't even recall their bank being sanctioned though, or any other specific industry like food or transport.

Could you please give the specific sanction(s) that Target or harm all of the Venezuelan people into hunger and poverty?? I may have missed it. They are all on the state department website, I just need you to cite the specific one you believe is responsible for all this poverty due to corruption and mismanagement.

And Hezbollah is an international designated terrorists group, so if Maduro is providing them safe harbor, his funeral.

a reply to: CriticalStinker
But which brutal regimes do we support who are starving their own people on such a scale?? Certainly not Saudi Arabia, which is likely the burtalost one on the list. People are not fed, they may get angry and demand a revolution. Not our fault, none of our sanctions are targeting their transport or agriculture industries.
a reply to: Grimpachi
Yes maybe you want Russian and Chinese missiles within swift striking range of Texas and gulf energy refining and distribution capacity, I prefer not. They need only hit those targets in an initial strike and this country would be on it's knees with dangerous food shortages of our own to worry about due to lack of fuel for transportation.

I would rather keep that from happening thank you. If that requires fire and brimstone raining down from someone else's sky, so be it. Better them than us.

An excellent post that deserves repeating and a fair answer from TB.

originally posted by: 11SK1180
When the Venezuela tried to buy medicines, eg Insulin the U.S government threatened any suppliers with fines and sanctions for helping the Venezuelan government. Also the People are starving not because of the government, But because the food companies are some of the private Companies that are intentianally helping starve the people. If the Americans were really intrested in helping the Venezuelan people then why place crippling sanctions on the country.

Ok, I can be upset at that but I need some facts to back that claim. Thank you it is for some friends of mine on ATS.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Wildmanimal

Yea fabricated by the US because Venezuela wasnt paying them their capitalist dues. Oil company's wanted to help build the nation but had to fight through US sanctions and were stopped.

Help us out here, why are the people starving when they have one of the world's richest oil fields?

Corruption is your answer. It sure appears the people of Venezuela have had enough of that style of leadership. I don't now who we should believe, YOU or our lying eyes?

Seriously?

If you don't want to see you will never do

The US sanctions have nothing to do with this? You look it up and stop being lazy.

You could have half the oil in the world and if no ones buys anything from or sells to you because the corruption of some other country has infiltrated the world and forced everyone to reject you, then you have nothing.

Yes, corruption is the answer, US corruption and meddling

How is it possible you can't see the obvious?

Since the time i left ATS something has really gone very wrong, people are so blind these days they help themselves to ignorance, desperately

Meanwhile the world is awake more and more, day by day, and seing the fakery with open eyes

Those who you defend can tell you in your face that it is fake and you would still defend them, how weak can some people be?