Alpha queen of the Ciakar draconians

I heard a wierd story recently that told a tale of the original Alpha queen of the Ciakar draconians being the longtime partner of the original creator God. The deity responsible for all of creation. Both have origins that are unknown and they are the proud parents to beings more commonly known as Angels. It would explain all those dragon references to certain Angels in the bible. For exsample dragons appear 21 times in the old testament dragons and serpents were often representations of the devil demons or fallen angels. with a mother whose origin is unknown but was the first alpha queen of dragons and a father whose origons are equally shrowed in mystery but someone who made it possible for life to exist as light its not that surprising really if the rumour were true. Anyone care to shed more light on this topic

a reply to: DpatC

Probably goes a lot further back than the bible... shamans in indigenous areas report on the regular about the large flying snakes/dragons in the sky during vision quests and ceremonies. This is a shared vision/idea amongst many. This is pre organized religion, pre scripture, pre entertainment age.

Slowly they are bring dragons back into the fold (Game of Thrones, How to Train Your Dragon, etc, etc)

No doubt some truth in the fiction somewhere... trouble is filtering through and honing in on it.

a reply to: DpatC

In the beginning of worshipping YHWH had a wife named Asherah interesting stuff. But there is no relation to any serpents or dragons.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: DpatC

In the beginning of worshipping YHWH had a wife named Asherah interesting stuff. But there is no relation to any serpents or dragons.

No, YHWH didn't have a wife in the beginning of worshipping. How about a link?

ETA: I mean to say, how about a link other than the one you've provided? Because that link has zero credible scholarly resources, and it also grossly takes biblical verses out of context.


Ashteroth was the god/goddess of one of the surrounding nations in Israel's early days. Later there were things called "Ashera poles," which were tall poles that people would worship; bow down to, leave gifts and sacrifices at, etc.

a reply to: KansasGirl

m-kay, how about this

The first is an inscription that was found in an 8th century tomb at the site of Khirbet el Qom, in the heart of Judah, in a tomb. The inscription is a prayer, and contains the names of YHWH and that of Ashera, the latter is invoked three times. On one side of the inscription a crude tree appears to have been incised as well. Another famous inscription was found at the site of Kuntillet Ajrud, on the border of Judah. It also dates to approximately the same time period as the Khirbet el Qom findings.
The site is scattered with dedicatory inscriptions to “YHWH and his ASHERA”. One stands out in particular: “To YHWH of SHOMRON and his ASHERA” (Meshel 2012: 86–101).

Believable enough?
haaretz

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: DpatC

In the beginning of worshipping YHWH had a wife named Asherah interesting stuff. But there is no relation to any serpents or dragons.

No, YHWH didn't have a wife in the beginning of worshipping. How about a link?

ETA: I mean to say, how about a link other than the one you've provided? Because that link has zero credible scholarly resources, and it also grossly takes biblical verses out of context.

That pretty much explains Christianity. Since this is the UFO forum there is no need to walk on eggshells around delusional religious crap.

originally posted by: DpatC
Anyone care to shed more light on this topic

Bad science fiction.

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: DpatC

Probably goes a lot further back than the bible... shamans in indigenous areas report on the regular about the large flying snakes/dragons in the sky during vision quests and ceremonies. This is a shared vision/idea amongst many. This is pre organized religion, pre scripture, pre entertainment age.

Slowly they are bring dragons back into the fold (Game of Thrones, How to Train Your Dragon, etc, etc)

No doubt some truth in the fiction somewhere... trouble is filtering through and honing in on it.

From what i have been lead to believe this is a relationship that either started at a time when both the creator god and the alpha dragon were in a state of chaos or even earlier than that. A long time before they both got to Light and the birth of the beings affectionally referred to as Angels.There will be no recorded history of those times. The humble beginnings of this relationship predates sumer by hundreds of thousands of years in a story of a creator and a dragons evolution. I have a feeling that the only other person around at the time that these two got together was a being affectionally referred to as divinity. Ciakar draconians and angels are proud of their Royal connections.and you can't get any more regal than having ones origins that stem direct from divinity itself

originally posted by: DpatC
dragons appear 21 times in the old testament dragons and serpents were often representations of the devil demons or fallen angels.

The seraphim is plural for seraph that is another word for Serpent or fiery snake.

Snakes are reptiles (Draconians).

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
Bad science fiction.

It is so much fun reading what people say about it all being silly fictional stuff, because for some strange reason, the entire world Atheist elite and MIC has just OBEYED the Bible, word for word and bombed the life out of Damascus.

Out of every single city on this planet, they were PROGRAMMED to OBEY Isiah 17:1. thus reducing Damascus "to a pile of rubble"

Wow - what a coincidence ROFL.

originally posted by: Rapha

originally posted by: DpatC
dragons appear 21 times in the old testament dragons and serpents were often representations of the devil demons or fallen angels.

The seraphim is plural for seraph that is another word for Serpent or fiery snake.

Snakes are reptiles (Draconians).

And the only person that can give life to a another reptile or dragon can only be another reptilian or dragon origin. An Alpha queen ciakar draconion perhaps. And do you know whats even weirder the author of this thread is a golden yellow yang fire dragon by birth also born in the year of the Chinese fire dragon? according to chineese legends golden yellow fire dragons come from the centre of creation. Born of a virgin mother which would make sense espicially if you consider that reptiles and dragons are one of the few species where the female can reproduce asexually I suppose I have dragon running through my blood. But I dont know as I said it could be just a rumour and im putting 2 and 2 together and getting the number 5

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originally posted by: Rapha

originally posted by: DpatC
dragons appear 21 times in the old testament dragons and serpents were often representations of the devil demons or fallen angels.

The seraphim is plural for seraph that is another word for Serpent or fiery snake.

Snakes are reptiles (Draconians).

could you provide a link to the information you provided. Nowhere can I find what you are talking about. A Seraph is one of the highest choir of Angels it says, and not just here.. en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: gunshooter
could you provide a link to the information you provided. Nowhere can I find what you are talking about. A Seraph is one of the highest choir of Angels it says, and not just here.. en.wikipedia.org...

Deuteronomy 8:15 "Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;"

Numbers 21:6-8 "(6) And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. (7) Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. (8) And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live."

n the Second Book of Enoch, two classes of celestial beings are equated with the seraphim and cherubim, known as the phoenixes and the chalkydri (Ancient Greek: χαλκύδραι khalkýdrai, compd. of χαλκός khalkós "brass, copper" + ὕδρα hýdra "hydra", "water-serpent" — lit. "brazen hydras", "copper serpents"). Both are described as "flying elements of the sun" that reside in either the 4th or 6th heaven, who have twelve wings and burst into song at sunrise.

Maybe this picture of a real seraph, from an artist who is in contact with the angel Anael and Shymhz is useful. Take it with a pinch of salt if you want to because nothing matters now. Everyone's soul has been examined by Yahushua and our paths are now set for the coming 7 Year Tribulation.

The name of the angel in the following picture is Israfel.

a reply to: DpatC

Reptiles have scaled skin. Human skin flakes off showing the link between "contaminated" humans and reptilians as their "skin" flakes off due to their scales deteriorating through natural aging.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: KansasGirl

m-kay, how about this

The first is an inscription that was found in an 8th century tomb at the site of Khirbet el Qom, in the heart of Judah, in a tomb. The inscription is a prayer, and contains the names of YHWH and that of Ashera, the latter is invoked three times. On one side of the inscription a crude tree appears to have been incised as well. Another famous inscription was found at the site of Kuntillet Ajrud, on the border of Judah. It also dates to approximately the same time period as the Khirbet el Qom findings.
The site is scattered with dedicatory inscriptions to “YHWH and his ASHERA”. One stands out in particular: “To YHWH of SHOMRON and his ASHERA” (Meshel 2012: 86–101).

Believable enough?
haaretz

Eight Century means 800 years after Christ. Hardly 'the beginning' of worship of YHWH!

originally posted by: Rapha

originally posted by: DpatC
dragons appear 21 times in the old testament dragons and serpents were often representations of the devil demons or fallen angels.

The seraphim is plural for seraph that is another word for Serpent or fiery snake.

Snakes are reptiles (Draconians).

Nope.

The etymology is as follows: 'Saraph', in ancient Hebrew translates to "it burns". In Ancient Arabic, 'sharafa' translates to "be lofty".

a reply to: chr0naut

Context is key dude, if you would have read the article you'd know it talks about the late iron age of the land of israel, which is 10th-6th century bce.
Got a bit ahead of yourself there, didn't you?
Quite pathetic you thought this could have been going on 800 ad, you're really not that smart are you?

originally posted by: Rapha

originally posted by: gunshooter
could you provide a link to the information you provided. Nowhere can I find what you are talking about. A Seraph is one of the highest choir of Angels it says, and not just here.. en.wikipedia.org...

Deuteronomy 8:15 "Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;"

Numbers 21:6-8 "(6) And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. (7) Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. (8) And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live."

n the Second Book of Enoch, two classes of celestial beings are equated with the seraphim and cherubim, known as the phoenixes and the chalkydri (Ancient Greek: χαλκύδραι khalkýdrai, compd. of χαλκός khalkós "brass, copper" + ὕδρα hýdra "hydra", "water-serpent" — lit. "brazen hydras", "copper serpents"). Both are described as "flying elements of the sun" that reside in either the 4th or 6th heaven, who have twelve wings and burst into song at sunrise.

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While the verses you quoted referred to "fiery" (sa-rap) serpents, it is clearly (from context) talking about actual reptiles and not angels.

The word fiery is an adjective that can be applied to many things and you cannot assume that angels are made of wood because they both can be described as burning.

("So, logically--
- If she weighs the same as a duck...
- she's made of wood.
- And therefore?
- A witch!" - from Monty Python and the Holy Grail)

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: chr0naut

Context is key dude, if you would have read the article you'd know it talks about the late iron age of the land of israel, which is 10th-6th century bce.
Got a bit ahead of yourself there, didn't you?
Quite pathetic you thought this could have been going on 800 ad, you're really not that smart are you?

I know I'm not that smart.



But I'm clever enough to know that stuff recovered from an 8th Century tomb is probably not going to reflect particularly accurately on a culture ten thousand years before it.

Also, the traditional origin of the name YHWH was that it was first revealed to Moses, who according to Biblical genealogies and relative history was some time around 1500 BC to 1300 BC.

So any reference to YHWH prior to that, makes a nonsense of the traditional timeline, and especially to so long before Moses.

Additionally, I happen to know that the oldest archaeological record of YHWH, is for the place name "the land of Shasu of YHW" (the Shasu were Midianite/Edomite nomads) in an Egyptian inscription from 1402-1363 BC, which accords with the traditional timeline and also points out that this article was entirely speculative at best.