Brexit, Today is the Vote!

a reply to: eletheia

I just think that the man is a complete idiot. He has a very short fuse, too.

I normally do not watch QT when Abbott is on because I want to throw heavy things at the TV. Last night was just so jaw droppingly awful I actually felt sorry for her.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
Corbyn is refusing to join cross party talks unless may takes "No Deal" off the table. Surely, the threat of a no deal is a trump card in any further negotiations with the EU? I don't get his position at all.

Has it never crossed your mind that No Deal could be that bad for us that it should be removed?

It's not much of a bargaining chip to be fair really, if the EU was just Britain, France and Germany I'd agree that the EU needs us as much as we need them but it's simply not true. We are only 1/28th of the EU and, as much as we lead the way in Europe a lot of the time, they have plenty other people to help make their laws for them. I've yet to hear a shred of evidence about why the EU needs us as much as we need them...

originally posted by: oldcarpy
Dianne Abbott was on Question Time last night, anyone see it (stand down, Cornish!)?

Lol
I can't stand her for her fake posh accent, does my head in, honest, I almost want to post a thread in the rant forum about it.
...Jeremy and Diane sitting in a tree...

originally posted by: djz3ro
I've yet to hear a shred of evidence about why the EU needs us as much as we need them...

We are net contributors to the tune of billions £'s each year.
Do we 'need' to give that money to the EU, or does the EU need that money? If they don't 'need' that money then let's just have a decent trade deal.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
If they don't 'need' that money then let's just have a decent trade deal.

The EU does need British money though. That's the problem. The UK is a cash cow. Plus, they need the UK's soft power, culture and balance. Without balance the EU will march up it's own arse, led by the French. It's already happening as they cut their collective nose off to spite their bitter faces.

a reply to: djz3ro

The EU wants and needs our £39 Billion.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Stop that!

originally posted by: djz3ro

Has it never crossed your mind that No Deal could be that bad for us that it should be removed?

No, its never crossed my mind the UK has been through far worse and

survived. The Brits are resilliant and stoic by nature.

It's not much of a bargaining chip to be fair really, if the EU was just Britain, France and Germany I'd agree that the EU needs us as much as we need them but it's simply not true. We are only 1/28th of the EU and, as much as we lead the way in Europe a lot of the time, they have plenty other people to help make their laws for them. I've yet to hear a shred of evidence about why the EU needs us as much as we need them...

Google is your friend ..... there is lots of evidence, it has gone on so long

I am tired of finding links.

Out of the 27 remaining countries in the EU there is approx 20 countries that

take more than they give and therefor equate to more of a burden than an

asset!!

Theres a lot to be said of quality rather than quantity? but then the EU will

be requiring cannon fodder for their proposed *new EU army*

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Stop that!

Check this Google image search out haha, funny as!
Warning not safe for work, but hilarious!
Corbyn Abbot Porn

a reply to: eletheia

I can't get behind a No Deal Brexit, there's not enough evidence out there that it will be anything other than devastating, finding an unbiased source is nigh on impossible too. Facts are a very rare commodity, probably because this has gone on so long and there is so much information out there, whether factual or not

a reply to: djz3ro

It's time to stop the dithering, get off the pot and make a clean break as soon as possible.

All this uncertainty isn't doing anyone any good at all.

No Deal a.s.a.p. and then lets just concentrate on dealing with the fall out and then start the rebuilding.....the current situation is a farce and only succeeds in granting the Eurocrats and incompetents in Westminster even more opportunities for posturing and self-aggrandisement.

its clearly not all doom and gloom though!

Clydesdale and Barclays are building two brand new Banking HQ's they have already started construction
clearly Brexit isnt going to be as bad as we all think if two big banks are expanding in Scotland (yes Scotland, not London as you might expect)

Why then are there two new bank HQ's being built in the financially uncertain times of pre/post Brexit

Aye so , banks ken where the money is at , otherwise why risk it ?

unless my conspiracy mind state is correct, brexit goes through, Scotland pushes Indy2 and we go indy and become super rich and the banks reap the profits of Scotlands independence !

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I'm not touching that link with a bargepole!

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: djz3ro
I've yet to hear a shred of evidence about why the EU needs us as much as we need them...

We are net contributors to the tune of billions £'s each year.
Do we 'need' to give that money to the EU, or does the EU need that money? If they don't 'need' that money then let's just have a decent trade deal.

First off, the UK never pays the full fee for EU membership, it gets a rebate which is applied immediately (more on that here) but I can't seem to find a figure on the amount of money in grants and other contributions we get from tbe EU to see what the final figure is once the cash has flowed both ways

originally posted by: sapien82

unless my conspiracy mind state is correct, brexit goes through, Scotland pushes Indy2 and we go indy and become super rich and the banks reap the profits of Scotlands independence !

Funny, I thought that as I was reading the news in your post....

a reply to: djz3ro

Here you go.. It's an area full of all sorts of myths and legends.

Fact check

The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back.
In 2017 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at nearly £9 billion.
Each year the UK gets a discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth about £5.6 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £18.6 billion in contributions.

a reply to: paraphi

I can't be doing hard sums this late on a Friday afternoon!

Jeebus, are we still banging on about Brexit? Bored bored bored.........wish it would happen quickly now!

Got my new 4k tv last night so avoidance should be simple. I don't want to be watching Theresa et al in super high definition!

a reply to: Flavian

I'm scared to ask how you feel about the US stuff !

a reply to: Flavian

Yes, me bored with Brexit now too.