Is property ownership a form of socialism

The reason why I say that is that the American Indians did not charge their enemies rent (taxes) for their land, they just invaded them.
My thoughts of this is that the politicians have invaded our rights, noticed I said "RIGHT" to ownership to our property, but they take it away by taxes. Big gang thugs if you ask me.

The reason why I'm bring this up is because in this country (Japan) when the elderly (me and the wife) are no longer having kids in schools, they understand that our real estate taxes must be within reason, like little income, little taxes to cover police, fire and a few other things.

But the fact is, we as property owners participate in a form of socialism through paying our property taxes. See, we really are just tenants to the governing body that controls our rights (privileges) to possess property.

a reply to: musicismagic
Unless your government fears you, and only taxes you what you allow it to. 2nd amendment should take care of the former, elections should take care of the later. Should being the key term there.

But yes, co-operation technically is a degree of socialism, and having a government that enforced regulation on your property does make it "socialist". Not the act of owning the land itself, but rather allowing the government to enforce said regulation on owned property.

a reply to: dubiousatworst

News flash America..... you government doest fear you.


You gun talk is just that.....talk and has been since the civil war.

a reply to: Unruhestifter
I beg to differ. If we were to assume that the US government were just a system to control the masses and keep us as slaves, we could assume that the vast amount of money spent to keep citizens under control should prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the government does in fact fear it's citizens. Otherwise our federal government would not be giving armored vehicles etc to local and state police. Furthermore in a situation where there was a revolt against the US government by the citizens, there are more privately owned fire arms in the US than all of the police forces combined... world wide.

Anyhow, those French seem to have been pushed far enough,

a reply to: dubiousatworst

The USA is only slightly behind Europe in the March towards tryanny.

In fact I would say it's neck and neck.

EU and UK its undermining freedom of speech. USA its undermining due process , freedom of press and privacy.

If the US government feared guns then it should be far behind Europe.

Um. Taxes and property are different in different countries. Not sure where the much abused and misused word "socialism" comes into this.

originally posted by: Unruhestifter
EU and UK its undermining freedom of speech. USA its undermining due process , freedom of press and privacy.

Good Lord. People like you need to get off your arse, stop watching the rubbish that sets your world-view and travel. Come on over. I bet you would not get arrested for speaking your mind, unless your mind is so offensive that someone notices. The threat to privacy is not the government, it's Google, Apple, FaceBook, and all these corporations who hold every detail of your life on their servers. Unless you live in China, of course, where there is no privacy.

Anyway, come on over.

a reply to: paraphi

I live in the UK!

We arrest people over teaching dogs Nazi salutes!


Denying that we have a problem is as bad as americans denying they have a problem!

originally posted by: musicismagic
The reason why I say that is that the American Indians did not charge their enemies rent (taxes) for their land, they just invaded them.
My thoughts of this is that the politicians have invaded our rights, noticed I said "RIGHT" to ownership to our property, but they take it away by taxes. Big gang thugs if you ask me.

Which country are you referring to in particular? Surely every country has

their own particular systems you can't compare apples with oranges.

The reason why I'm bring this up is because in this country (Japan) when the elderly (me and the wife) are no longer having kids in schools, they understand that our real estate taxes must be within reason, like little income, little taxes to cover police, fire and a few other things.

That in the UK is called council tax and it varies according to the size of

property, if you live in a modest property of 2/3 bedrooms and small garden

you will pay less than someone in a walled mansion with say 7 plus bedrooms.

Seems fair to me.

But the fact is, we as property owners participate in a form of socialism through paying our property taxes. See, we really are just tenants to the governing body that controls our rights (privileges) to possess property.

We do not pay property taxes. I live in a modest bungalow and have paid no

tax on it ever, my mortgage was paid off years ago so I am also 'rent free' in

that time.

originally posted by: Unruhestifter
We arrest people over teaching dogs Nazi salutes!

Not people, a person. You can read about the case here... Court case Mark Meecham . Most people would think it was a fair cop once they have read about the detail.

But, as I said in my reply to the OP. Come on over. I bet you would not get arrested for speaking your mind, unless your mind is so offensive that someone notices.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Unruhestifter
We arrest people over teaching dogs Nazi salutes!

Not people, a person. You can read about the case here... Court case Mark Meecham . Most people would think it was a fair cop once they have read about the detail.

But, as I said in my reply to the OP. Come on over. I bet you would not get arrested for speaking your mind, unless your mind is so offensive that someone notices.

I am fully aware.

And I don't need to come over, I #ING LIVE IN THE UK!

And I am fully aware of the dog case and no one i know thinks it was a fair cop except government shills, loony liberals and people born without a sense of humour!

It's a freaking dog for fecks sake! Not a threat to UK society and it's law and order.

originally posted by: Unruhestifter
And I don't need to come over, I #ING LIVE IN THE UK!

Chill out twinkle toes. The invite was for the OP, not you.

It's a freaking dog for fecks sake! Not a threat to UK society and it's law and order.

It was not the dog that was the problem. You would know this if you read the sentencing notes that was posted. It was the grossly offensive nature of what was uploaded to the internet.

But we digress.

a reply to: paraphi

I did read the sentencing notes and i fundamentally disagree with them.

People should not be arrested over offensive jokes. Period.

The judge and the law in this case is wrong.

originally posted by: Unruhestifter
a reply to: paraphi

I did read the sentencing notes and i fundamentally disagree with them.

People should not be arrested over offensive jokes. Period.

The judge and the law in this case is wrong.

I agree. People should not be arrested for jokes.

originally posted by: Unruhestifter
Denying that we have a problem is as bad as americans denying they have a problem!

Not sure who got arrested for practicing their 1st here stateside....citation?

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Unruhestifter
We arrest people over teaching dogs Nazi salutes!

Not people, a person. You can read about the case here... Court case Mark Meecham . Most people would think it was a fair cop once they have read about the detail.

But, as I said in my reply to the OP. Come on over. I bet you would not get arrested for speaking your mind, unless your mind is so offensive that someone notices.

I have found most people who speak up on the matter (John Q, not Sammy SJW) find the whole matter nonsense...it was clearly a joke. the "dramatic" way he was saying "Gas the jews" was him laughing as the dog reacted each time. The context was completely removed. Tons of comedians do skits on nazism and other stuff similar and they get a free pass. They hammered Mark because he is just a unknown sacrificial lamb to ease in the moderation of humor on a state level.

You even have tons of "comedians" defending the states actions and seemingly cheering on arresting and (ultimately) fining someone for satirical jokes...short sighted idiots

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: Unruhestifter
Denying that we have a problem is as bad as americans denying they have a problem!

Not sure who got arrested for practicing their 1st here stateside....citation?

No but your other rights have been attacked instead.

For example your criminal justice system is a joke.
Kangaroo courts where only the rich get justice.
Draconian sentences on non violent crime?
Your criminal injustice system is just a tool to feed profit private prisons.

Different country's different rights being attacked.

My point is the USA has its problems like the UK has its own. Neither of our nation's are sun shines and rainbows.

originally posted by: musicismagic
The reason why I say that is that the American Indians did not charge their enemies rent (taxes) for their land, they just invaded them.
My thoughts of this is that the politicians have invaded our rights, noticed I said "RIGHT" to ownership to our property, but they take it away by taxes. Big gang thugs if you ask me.

The reason why I'm bring this up is because in this country (Japan) when the elderly (me and the wife) are no longer having kids in schools, they understand that our real estate taxes must be within reason, like little income, little taxes to cover police, fire and a few other things.

But the fact is, we as property owners participate in a form of socialism through paying our property taxes. See, we really are just tenants to the governing body that controls our rights (privileges) to possess property.

While you can own property in the US, technically, you can never own it free and clear because of our property tax system at city / county level. If you don't pay any taxes levied on the land, the government can seize the property.

In many areas, property taxes push out people as they get older / retire because they are paying exorbitant property taxes for services they likely aren't using like schools and their income is reduced / fixed. In my community, people tend to leave fairly quickly to cheaper areas once their kids are out of the public schools because annual tax bills on a decent sized house can push upwards of $20k/yr. The larger mansion homes can have tax bills approaching $40k.

I know people who literally pay more for their monthly property taxes than their mortgage!

Most localities have lower tax rates for the elderly and disabled, but many still find they are unable to keep up with the tax bills on their fixed incomes.

Granted, the benefit of ownership is that you have claim to the future appreciation of the home as the owner. However, tax rates don't alway equate to increased value of the home. My tax bill has nearly doubled in 14 years I have owned my home, however, I'd be lucky to sell my home for what i paid for it 14 years ago!

a reply to: musicismagic

No. It's a form of property ownership.

a reply to: Edumakated
Could you clear something up for me, just why pay property tax, I mean what does the tax pay for.
We have council tax in the UK and this is split up among the police, fire, borough council services (like refuse collection,cctv cost, litter picking etc) and the county council for road and footpath maintenance.
At the moment my council tax comes in at approx £2000 ( about $2566) a year.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: Edumakated
Could you clear something up for me, just why pay property tax, I mean what does the tax pay for.
We have council tax in the UK and this is split up among the police, fire, borough council services (like refuse collection,cctv cost, litter picking etc) and the county council for road and footpath maintenance.
At the moment my council tax comes in at approx £2000 ( about $2566) a year.

The majority of property taxes pay for the local school system (including teacher pensions), but they also can cover police, fire, and other local government services. Areas with good schools tend to have higher property taxes and home values.

Property taxes are necessary, but unchecked spending by local governments has caused tax bills to become inflated which is what is causing the issue.

This is why people tend to move once their kids are out of public school. They can move somewhere with cheaper taxes because they don't have to worry about the school system quality.