UK Welcomes Extremists, Bans Critics of Extremists

So what is really going on in the UK? We have plenty of UK members and would love some feedback. Why does the UK seem to promote allowing followers of radical islam and ISIS recruiters freely into their nation but reject asylum to those who truly need it and ban those who speak out against the radicals?

From what I read, this also appears to be a pattern throughout Europe. Why is there such a push to promote radical islam in Europe? Why are they silencing people who speak out against it and reject those in need who may "anger" the radicals they have allowed into their nations?

What is the purpose of letting Islamic extremists loose in your country?

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In November, it was reported that the Pakistani Christian mother of five, Asia Bibi, was unlikely to be offered asylum by the British government due to concerns about "community" relations in the UK. What this means is that the UK government was worried that Muslims of Pakistani origin in Britain may object to the presence in the UK of a Christian woman who has spent most of the last decade on death row in Pakistan, before being officially declared innocent of a trumped-up charge of "blasphemy".

We have also seen time and again how extremist clerics such as the Pakistani clerics Muhammad Naqib ur Rehman and Hassan Haseen ur Rehman have been allowed to enter the UK despite their track records of supporting the murder of people merely suspected of having blasphemed against, or apostasised from, Islam. Nevertheless, while the UK government continues to allow clerics such as these to enter Britain, it develops an ever-growing banned list of people who are not Muslim but who have been critical of aspects of Islam. It is almost as though the UK government has decided that while extremist clerics can only rarely be banned, critics of such clerics can be banned with ease.

This country has been bending it's knee to extremists for quite a while.

They can riot in the streets calling for the death of everyone under the sun who isn't them and unless they actually build a bomb or tell people to start shooting police officers that's their right, which I agree with honestly. People should be allowed to say what they want, absolutely.

But if anyone dares criticise that then enjoy your 5 years in prison for hate speech. Which is longer than the average of 6 months that pedophiles get.

Assimilate or leave is my position. No one is asking you to abandon your faith but the extremist elements of it are totally incompatible with British society.

British Hindus and Sikhs for example do not call for the extermination of entire segments of society nor do they demand their religious laws take precedence over our national laws.

Because we’re not bigots who think that all the brown faced men who speak funny and pray to that weird god are all terrorists just because the right wing media told us so.

Simples.

a reply to: infolurker

They denied asylum to Bibi?!?! This is a travesty.

It’s obvious their decision is based on fear of the repercussions and not on any principle of human rights and dignity. How the mighty have fallen.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Because we’re not bigots who think that all the brown faced men who speak funny and pray to that weird god are all terrorists just because the right wing media told us so.

Simples.

Yet you would deny a legit asylum seeker for fear that “brown faced men” would get angry. That’s a more subtle type of bigotry, granted, but bigotry nonetheless.

a reply to: infolurker
Your Source - The GateStone Intitute:

The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing[2][3][4] anti-Muslim[a] think tank with a focus on Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods.[

The organization describes itself as a "non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank is dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report."[20][21] The organization believes that traditional news outlets conduct insufficient and, as a result, misleading reporting on critical issues, and thus it distributes its own information about events in the Middle East and Muslim populations in other parts of the world.[20][22][23][24] Gatestone authors frequently appear on Russian government-controlled media such as Sputnik News and RT.[5] Several Gatestone articles were promoted by Russian trolls working for the Kremlin-linked Internet Research Agency, as the articles often have a common purpose with a Russian disinformation campaign which seeks to portray Western society as in crisis due to immigration of Muslims.[5]

The Gatestone Institute has been frequently described as "anti-Muslim",[a] regularly publishes articles to stoke anti-Muslim fears,[18][25] and has published false stories to that end.[9][26] Gatestone frequently warns of a looming "jihadist takeover" and "Islamization" of Europe, leading to a "Great White Death".[5] [

Multiple viral anti-immigrant and Islamophobic falsehoods originate from Gatestone.[9][5][34] In 2011[35] and 2012,[7] Gatestone published articles claiming that Europe had Muslim "no-go zones", falsely describing them variously as "off-limits to non-Muslims"[7] and "microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law".[35][36] The claim that there are areas in European cities that are lawless and off limits to local police or governed by Sharia is false.[7][35][36][9][37] Gatestone's claims were picked up by many outlets, including FrontPageMag,[35] and The Washington Times.[36] The idea of no-go zones originated from Daniel Pipes,[35] who later retracted his claims.[7] On November 18, 2016, Gatestone published an article that said the British Press had been ordered to avoid reporting the Muslim identity of terrorists by the European Union. Snopes rated the claim "false". Snopes pointed out that the report only made a recommendation and it was issued by the Council of Europe, not the European Union.[8] Gatestone subsequently corrected the article and apologized for the error,[38] before removing it entirely from its website. In 2017, Gatestone falsely claimed that 500 churches closed and 423 new mosques opened in London since 2001, and argued that London was being islamized and turning into "Londonistan".[39][5] According to Snopes, Gatestone used "shoddy research and cherry-picked data."[39] Specifically, Gatestone only counted churches that closed but not churches that opened; data for the period 2005-2012 alone show that 700 new churches opened in London.[39] The Gatestone Institute published false articles during the 2017 German federal election.[40] A Gatestone article, shared thousands of times on social media, including by senior German far-right politicians, claimed that vacant homes were being seized in Germany to provide housing solutions for "hundreds of thousands of migrants from Africa, Asia, and the Middle East."[6] The German fact-checker Correctiv.org found that this was false; a single house was placed in temporary trusteeship, and had nothing to do with refugees whatsoever.[6] Gatestone also cross-posted a Daily Mail article, which "grossly mischaracterized crime data" concerning crime by refugees in Germany.[41]

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Huh. Sounds a little biased in their reporting, if not outright propaganda.

Many of Gatestone's commentaries offer standard neoconservative tropes urging a more forceful and aggressive U.S. foreign policy. An April 2014 offering from Elliott Abrams, for example, complained that the Obama administration's foreign policy "really is the foreign policy of Belgium: negotiations, negotiations, negotiations. … What is missing in this formulation? In one word: power."

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John Bolton, President Donald Trump’s pick to be his new national security adviser, has a long association with a group infamous for its role in publishing “fake news” and spreading hate about Muslims.

he fact-checking website Snopes has found multiple false viral stories originating with Gatestone. For instance, the site claimed falsely that in London — called “Londonistan” in the piece — 423 mosques were built “on the sad ruins of English Christianity,” as 500 churches closed. But the story cherry-picked the data to ignore hundreds of newly opened churches. Many of the fake stories have percolated into mainstream U.S. politics. Gatestone was largely responsible for the false claim that there are “no-go zones” through Belgium, the Netherlands, France, Sweden, and other European states where Muslim immigrants have set up a parallel society in which local police no longer enforce the law. The idea infiltrated the 2016 Republican primary, as Bobby Jindal, Ted Cruz, and Donald Trump repeated the uninformed “no-go zone” claim (to the later great embarrassment of U.S. Ambassador to the Netherlands Pete Hoekstra). While many conservative outlets eventually parroted the myth, Gatestone had pushed the idea since 2012 and has published dozens of pieces on the claim since. As The Intercept previously reported, Gatestone is largely funded by Nina Rosenwald, the heir to the Sears, Rosebuck & Company department store fortune. Though the Rosenwald family was once a champion of Jewish refugees during World War II, Rosenwald has financed a number of efforts to vilify Muslims attempting to escape bloodshed in Africa and the Middle East.

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Media Bias Fact Check for GateStone _ strong bias

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

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Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

I suppose if you are unable to refute the article, you can try and discredit where it comes from. But I wouldn’t advise it because it’s fallacious to do so.

a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

Is the information wrong? There are no issues with radicals?

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Pakistani 'hate preacher' who glorifies Islamist murder welcomed by Archbishop of Canterbury

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Because we’re not bigots who think that all the brown faced men who speak funny and pray to that weird god are all terrorists just because the right wing media told us so.

Simples.

Yep. That's the reason.

Not actual refugees being refused entry to avoid angering extremist enclaves that exist now because the government decided to give extremist elements free reign because of either sheer ineptitude or a hatred for reformist/moderate Islamists.

An awful lot of mosques in this country were funded by the House of Saud. I'm sure they're preaching the tolerance and love parts of Islam and not Saudi Arabia's hateful & genocidal Wahhabist Ideology.

a reply to: infolurker

I never really cared to much what the Brits did socially but their social agenda has destroyed doctor who and ours has destroyed Star Trek and Star Wars.

New National Security Adviser John Bolton is the chairman of the Gatestone Institute, international policy think tank. The organization has spread false information about Muslim refugees in Europe and stoked anti-Muslim fears in the West. Although Bolton didn't personally engage in this kind of anti-Muslim rhetoric at Gatestone, he received more than $310,000 in payments from the organization.

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The organization has spread false information about Muslim refugees in Europe and stoked anti-Muslim fears in the West.

Alina Polyakova, a Brookings Institution fellow who studies far-right populism and disinformation campaigns in the European Union, said Gatestone is “putting out content that was clearly anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim and was echoing some of the Russian disinformation propaganda” being spread by internet trolls and on social media. Polyakova said she and others in the Washington foreign policy community were “surprised” Bolton had chaired the group. Bolton formally started as national security adviser in early April. He has continued to meet with White House attorneys over possible conflicts of interest, including his political action committee, and his affiliation with Gatestone is a potential focus.

“We see this kind of pattern emerge where a website puts up something, it looks like a news story, then bots and trolls amplify it,” Polykova said. Some of the group’s work was widely distributed, including a claim about Muslim-controlled “no-go zones” in France that Texas Sen. Ted Cruz cited in an op-ed article during the 2016 Republican presidential primary campaign.

NBC News found at least four instances of known Russian trolls directly re-tweeting from the Gatestone account, according to an NBC News database of deleted tweets sent by Russian trolls. The stories were sent by trolls identified by Twitter as working for the Kremlin-linked Internet Research Agency. One of the retweeted stories claimed that 500 churches in London have closed while 423 new mosques have opened, which went viral and was picked up by numerous websites including Breitbart News. The fact-checking website Snopes.com said Gatestone used “shoddy research and cherry-picked data” for the story.

Gatestone has also fanned the notion of a German “migrant rape crisis,” pointing to real incidents, including an assault on women by several immigrants at a New Year’s Eve celebration in Cologne, Germany, in 2015. Der Spiegel conducted a detailed investigation and found “many problems” with that narrative. The website Snopes.com has debunked other reports from Gatestone, including allegations the European Union had ordered the media not to report when terrorism suspects were Muslim.

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“putting out content that was clearly anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim and was echoing some of the Russian disinformation propaganda”

Yes, it appears to be a fake news source.

originally posted by: Propagandalf
They denied asylum to Bibi?!?! This is a travesty.

She has not asked for asylum, so how can it be denied?

I would not trust this source. Sounds like they have an agenda, and a love of fake news.

The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing[2][3][4] anti-Muslim[a] think tank with a focus on Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods.[5][6][7][8][9]

The Gatestone Institute has been frequently described as "anti-Muslim",[a] regularly publishes articles to stoke anti-Muslim fears,[17][24] and has published false stories to that end.[9][25] Gatestone frequently warns of a looming "jihadist takeover" and "Islamization" of Europe, leading to a "Great White Death".[5] Gatestone authors have a particular interest in Germany and Sweden, and frequently criticize leaders such as Macron and Merkel.[5]

The Gatestone Institute published false articles during the 2017 German federal election.[39] A Gatestone article, shared thousands of times on social media, including by senior German far-right politicians, claimed that vacant homes were being seized in Germany to provide housing solutions for "hundreds of thousands of migrants from Africa, Asia, and the Middle East."[6] The German fact-checker Correctiv.org found that this was false; a single house was placed in temporary trusteeship, and had nothing to do with refugees whatsoever.[6] Gatestone also cross-posted a Daily Mail article, which "grossly mischaracterized crime data" concerning crime by refugees in Germany.[40]

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Gatestone Institute published false articles

Boy, that is a whole lot of sources that say that GateStone is fake news. And who have shown that it is fake news.

One of America’s Most Dangerous Think Tanks Is Spreading Islamophobic Hate Across the Atlantic

Bolton chaired nonprofit that shared false anti-Muslim news: report

Bolton was the chairman of the Gatestone Institute, a group that was found to have shared false or misleading news items about Muslims, the network reported, adding that he joined the nonprofit in 2013 and resigned last month before entering the Trump administration. The site has published and promoted stories with headlines like “Germany Confiscating Homes to Use for Migrants,” which focused on one apartment in the city of Hamburg going into temporary trusteeship, NBC News noted. Another piece from September 2017 features the headline “Europe: The Great White Death?” It focuses on a study by an author who argues that “the native population — by which he means the white population — of Europe face[s] extinction.”

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told NBC News that the institute is “a key part of the whole Islamaphobic cottage industry on the internet” and that Bolton’s association with the group “is very disturbing.” NBC News also identified instances of Russia trolls directly sharing content from Gatestone by retweeting the institute's account. And Sputnik, the Russian state-owned news agency, has frequently cited Gatestone pieces, according to the network.

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originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Propagandalf
They denied asylum to Bibi?!?! This is a travesty.

She has not asked for asylum, so how can it be denied?

Really?
Asia Bibi 'not offered UK asylum amid concerns of unrest and attacks'

Asia Bibi and her family had appealed for sanctuary in Britain after her conviction was quashed by Pakistan's supreme court.

a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

Man, you are really trying to derail this thread posting your wall of text 3 times.


Is there anything posted there that is not true? Do you have one damned thing to add besides attacking a source which states information that is easily found on the web in a multitude of other stories and sources?

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Propagandalf
They denied asylum to Bibi?!?! This is a travesty.

She has not asked for asylum, so how can it be denied?

Really?
Asia Bibi 'not offered UK asylum amid concerns of unrest and attacks'

Asia Bibi and her family had appealed for sanctuary in Britain after her conviction was quashed by Pakistan's supreme court.

She can't apply for or be rejected for asylum as not in the UK. What has happened has UK has not confirmed she would be given asylum in advance, something that only happens in exceptional cases.

Now this may well be an exceptional case, but the situation is slightly more complicated than is being made out.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey



Is there anything posted there that is not true?

The title for a start.

a reply to: infolurker

The OP's source is a known fake news outlet. If that is what the OP is basing their claims on, then I reject the claims.

Seems simple. This is the "fake news" that has been going around for several years, gets picked up by other outlets, passed around, until every one assumes it to be true.

Until folks start doing their own research, and looking into the primary sources of news, we will have "fake news" influencing our thoughts and judgements. This is how the Russian trolls work, how propaganda works.

I always try to check a primary source to see if they have a bias, a hidden agenda, a past record of pushing lies, etc.

If a source comes up as bad as GateStone, I wouldn't use it to bask up any claim or assertion. Any yes, I put a variety of sources (cross-checking) to validate that I was not getting one "bad review."

For me GateStone is a tainted source, after looking into the information available to me, and the number of times they have told flat out lies to promote their agenda.

Thanks for asking why I was doing what I was doing.

a reply to: ScepticScot

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