Stanton Friedman,"Bob (Lazaar) Lied Deliberately" and Jeremy Corbell Acts Like A "Teenage Girl"

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR
Corbell has beeen rubbing me the wrong way big time and this interview pretty much finishes it off for me his arguements are weak and petty. I especially find it laughable that because Bob’s business has government contracts that he must be some super scientist, Bob might have real scientists on his payroll but I believe Bob was just a technician turned business owner. IMO him and Lear cooled this whole thing up together riding off prior hoaxers like Meir, and there is plenty of evodence of this in prior interviews from both Lear and Lazar I think AlienScientist on YouTube does a good job of breaking down some of the absurdity of their claims.

Why did lazar do it?

He hasn’t gained any wealth or notoriety? Good story to pick up women? There are plenty of possibilities, then again maybe picking up women isn’t such a big motivator seeing as he’s a fan of prostitutes.

ETA I see your previous post and just because he didn’t make money directly off this doc he still is gaining notoriety for proceeds being donated in his name. Also I’m sure that his business has not been harmed by these claims, also there was the previous lazar tapes and other avenues for him to profit. Also don’t know that his wife didn’t get paid for being in the doc and thus him being paid indirectly.

Sorry, but what money did he make? If he done all this for money, then he went the wrong way about it as he could have made more documentaries, books, joined the ufo conference circuit. He done none of this. And like i said earlier, he donated the money he made from the documentary to a good cause.

It is obvious he did not do this for money. Most people, even skeptics who know about the cause agree this was not money motivated. The only people saying it is are the same old people who label every ufo case a money motivater.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: Jay-morris

Ahh Travis Walton!! That's the guy.
I've researched it all, they all seem to be conmen.
His gameshow answer isn't exactly common knowledge, that's gotta show I've done a little research.

If Bob Lazar wanted to live a life of anonymity he could have easily done so.
But the fact remains that we both know his name.

What are you talking about lol Lazar did forget about this and get on with his life! The only ones who mentioned his name are the ones into the subject. Seriously! Do some research!

You keep on mentioning that Travis Walton failed a lie detector test. Lazar passed a lie detector test, so what is your point?

a reply to: Jay-morris

I think he might have gotten to the point he believes what he says.

Keep in mind people don't tell tales for money.
Plenty just tell tales.

a reply to: shawmanfromny


Corbell’s case is weak
Corbell’s main point about Lazar being well known at Loa Alamos means nothing.

I could have gone to Bell Labs AT&T and talked to those government scientists (as a technician not as one of the scientists) and know many of them so this guy saying Lazar knows people at Los Alamos means nothing.

Also, Freiman points out that if he lied about his education so easily he makes himself untrustworthy.

Also, Corbell doesn't seem to understand the science or the story he just believes Knapp.

I don't see Friedman's problem. They both feed into the fantasy that Roswell was a crashed alien saucer, so they should be tight as ticks.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: Jay-morris

I think he might have gotten to the point he believes what he says.

Keep in mind people don't tell tales for money.
Plenty just tell tales.

That could be the case, just annoys me when people who do not research bring up "done it for money" it's like they go on auto and dismiss cases by saying this

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar


Travis and his family of UFO believers that would come and take him away ( before the incident ) and his Alien comics and the Atari Pong Joystick console that happened to drive the ship.... Please no more Travis.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
I don't see Friedman's problem. They both feed into the fantasy that Roswell was a crashed alien saucer, so they should be tight as ticks.

No one knows what happend at Roswell.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR
Corbell has beeen rubbing me the wrong way big time and this interview pretty much finishes it off for me his arguements are weak and petty. I especially find it laughable that because Bob’s business has government contracts that he must be some super scientist, Bob might have real scientists on his payroll but I believe Bob was just a technician turned business owner. IMO him and Lear cooled this whole thing up together riding off prior hoaxers like Meir, and there is plenty of evodence of this in prior interviews from both Lear and Lazar I think AlienScientist on YouTube does a good job of breaking down some of the absurdity of their claims.

Why did lazar do it?

He hasn’t gained any wealth or notoriety? Good story to pick up women? There are plenty of possibilities, then again maybe picking up women isn’t such a big motivator seeing as he’s a fan of prostitutes.

ETA I see your previous post and just because he didn’t make money directly off this doc he still is gaining notoriety for proceeds being donated in his name. Also I’m sure that his business has not been harmed by these claims, also there was the previous lazar tapes and other avenues for him to profit. Also don’t know that his wife didn’t get paid for being in the doc and thus him being paid indirectly.

Sorry, but what money did he make? If he done all this for money, then he went the wrong way about it as he could have made more documentaries, books, joined the ufo conference circuit. He done none of this. And like i said earlier, he donated the money he made from the documentary to a good cause.

It is obvious he did not do this for money. Most people, even skeptics who know about the cause agree this was not money motivated. The only people saying it is are the same old people who label every ufo case a money motivater.

Once again there’s the noteriety factor and like I said he gets the recognition for *his part* (still don’t know that his wife didn’t get a good chunk of money for it) being donated in his name. Also he can be saving whatever credibility he has from taking the but I didn’t do it for profit road for the big long run cash in.

a reply to: Jay-morris

I think you'd be surprised how much research people have done. They may not have access to my favorite reporter Knapps archives, but plenty of people here are well versed in UFOlogy as a result of decades of research.
In fact, I would put a handful of them up against any of the panelists there and they'd run rings around some of their statements.

originally posted by: Jay-morris
No one knows what happend at Roswell.

That's not what Stan will tell you. And he'll show you pages of blank documents to prove it.

a reply to: Jay-morris

My point is that I don't believe he's had no benefit.
If everything he says is true then he definitely deserves the benefit.

And even if it's all lies it's given countless people entertainment so it still deserves benefit.

There's a few different options, he could be honest and true, he could be a conman, he could be deceived, or he could be crazy. He could be a mix of all of them.

But like all of the alien guys out there they only have proof of a coverup.
There's never actual proof of what is being covered up.

The fact that they have nothing to cover up is the real conspiracy.
But now I'm just spouting unjustifiable nonsense like that guy...

What's his name again?

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR
Corbell has beeen rubbing me the wrong way big time and this interview pretty much finishes it off for me his arguements are weak and petty. I especially find it laughable that because Bob’s business has government contracts that he must be some super scientist, Bob might have real scientists on his payroll but I believe Bob was just a technician turned business owner. IMO him and Lear cooled this whole thing up together riding off prior hoaxers like Meir, and there is plenty of evodence of this in prior interviews from both Lear and Lazar I think AlienScientist on YouTube does a good job of breaking down some of the absurdity of their claims.

Why did lazar do it?

He hasn’t gained any wealth or notoriety? Good story to pick up women? There are plenty of possibilities, then again maybe picking up women isn’t such a big motivator seeing as he’s a fan of prostitutes.

ETA I see your previous post and just because he didn’t make money directly off this doc he still is gaining notoriety for proceeds being donated in his name. Also I’m sure that his business has not been harmed by these claims, also there was the previous lazar tapes and other avenues for him to profit. Also don’t know that his wife didn’t get paid for being in the doc and thus him being paid indirectly.

Sorry, but what money did he make? If he done all this for money, then he went the wrong way about it as he could have made more documentaries, books, joined the ufo conference circuit. He done none of this. And like i said earlier, he donated the money he made from the documentary to a good cause.

It is obvious he did not do this for money. Most people, even skeptics who know about the cause agree this was not money motivated. The only people saying it is are the same old people who label every ufo case a money motivater.

Once again there’s the noteriety factor and like I said he gets the recognition for *his part* (still don’t know that his wife didn’t get a good chunk of money for it) being donated in his name. Also he can be saving whatever credibility he has from taking the but I didn’t do it for profit road for the big long run cash in.

This is the thing. It's pretty much known that he was not motivated by money. So instead of people holding their hands up and saying fair enough, the make assumptions with no evidence, trying to prove that it was money motivated.

Also, if he done this for attention, again, he went completly the wrong way about it.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: Jay-morris

I think you'd be surprised how much research people have done. They may not have access to my favorite reporter Knapps archives, but plenty of people here are well versed in UFOlogy as a result of decades of research.
In fact, I would put a handful of them up against any of the panelists there and they'd run rings around some of their statements.

I have been into this subject for years. Been on this board for years. I know the good skeptics, and I also know the people who want to be in this group, when clearly they are more interested in debunking than finding the truth.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: Jay-morris

My point is that I don't believe he's had no benefit.
If everything he says is true then he definitely deserves the benefit.

And even if it's all lies it's given countless people entertainment so it still deserves benefit.

There's a few different options, he could be honest and true, he could be a conman, he could be deceived, or he could be crazy. He could be a mix of all of them.

But like all of the alien guys out there they only have proof of a coverup.
There's never actual proof of what is being covered up.

The fact that they have nothing to cover up is the real conspiracy.
But now I'm just spouting unjustifiable nonsense like that guy...

What's his name again?

But you used the lie detector test of evidence that Travis was lying. I told you lazar passed a test just after he went public, and you just ignore thst like I never said it.

You said he done it for money, I proved you wrong becsuse obviously he did not.

Then attention, but he clearly has not had the attention. Only at the begining, and when this documentary came out. In fact, he lives a very quiet life.

You brought up the lie detector test as evidence of Travis lying. I told you lazar passed on, and you ignored it.

Clearly you have done no research at all

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

The raid on Lazar's 'shop' by TPTB during the making of the documentary (only the second raid in two decades IIRC) is probably the most fascinating element of all his Alien/UFO films to date, especially since the authorities made it known they were aware of Corbell's ongoing interviews. Corbell milked it for all it was worth, but it was probably the best evidence of Lazar's disputed past employment and supposed retention of Element 115 material.

That admittedly was very interesting.
But....We had a 'raid' a couple of times a few years ago. It was for a similar reason, nothing to do with us but 2 different clients transactions through our business were under investigation.
Both times there were about 3-6 personnel and our paperwork and computers were gone through.
It was hard to not feel like a target personally, even though I didnt even know the name of the client who was under investigation, they were one of thousands of transactions . I had to disclose all computers and our storage locations.
Coulda been coincidence for Lazar, or not.

a reply to: Jay-morris

Well Travis did know about a National Enquirer offer of a $5000 reward for "positive proof" of an extraterrestrial encounter. Guess what happened not too long after....?



- Walton and the other crew members divided the $5000 and gave exclusive story rights to the Enquirer.

- Walton's medical exams and initial failed-but-kept-secret polygraph test were set up and paid for by the National Enquirer.

- Walton's supposed abduction provided the much-needed "act of god" that enabled logging contractor Mike Rogers to avoid costly penalties due to the crew falling far behind schedule.

- Walton and Rogers could have easily rigged up a glowing light or other prop to make the other five think they'd seen a UFO.

- Faced with embarrassing questions, the Walton family decided they would only talk to people who did not doubt the abduction-by-aliens story.

See : Source




As for Corbell and Friedman. I'll leave them debating for eternity. Friedman was supposed to have retired. He got people interested in flying saucers, wrote a few books and appeared on TV and at conferences. Corbell has made a handful of films that are aimed at the casual viewer. Both are entertainers first and there isn't particularly anything wrong with that.

I really believe someone could have solved the Bob Lazar story long before now given enough time and resources. Maybe they have?

But where would be the fun in that for everyone else?

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: BigDave-AR
Corbell has beeen rubbing me the wrong way big time and this interview pretty much finishes it off for me his arguements are weak and petty. I especially find it laughable that because Bob’s business has government contracts that he must be some super scientist, Bob might have real scientists on his payroll but I believe Bob was just a technician turned business owner. IMO him and Lear cooled this whole thing up together riding off prior hoaxers like Meir, and there is plenty of evodence of this in prior interviews from both Lear and Lazar I think AlienScientist on YouTube does a good job of breaking down some of the absurdity of their claims.

Why did lazar do it?

He hasn’t gained any wealth or notoriety? Good story to pick up women? There are plenty of possibilities, then again maybe picking up women isn’t such a big motivator seeing as he’s a fan of prostitutes.

ETA I see your previous post and just because he didn’t make money directly off this doc he still is gaining notoriety for proceeds being donated in his name. Also I’m sure that his business has not been harmed by these claims, also there was the previous lazar tapes and other avenues for him to profit. Also don’t know that his wife didn’t get paid for being in the doc and thus him being paid indirectly.

Sorry, but what money did he make? If he done all this for money, then he went the wrong way about it as he could have made more documentaries, books, joined the ufo conference circuit. He done none of this. And like i said earlier, he donated the money he made from the documentary to a good cause.

It is obvious he did not do this for money. Most people, even skeptics who know about the cause agree this was not money motivated. The only people saying it is are the same old people who label every ufo case a money motivater.

Once again there’s the noteriety factor and like I said he gets the recognition for *his part* (still don’t know that his wife didn’t get a good chunk of money for it) being donated in his name. Also he can be saving whatever credibility he has from taking the but I didn’t do it for profit road for the big long run cash in.

This is the thing. It's pretty much known that he was not motivated by money. So instead of people holding their hands up and saying fair enough, the make assumptions with no evidence, trying to prove that it was money motivated.

Also, if he done this for attention, again, he went completly the wrong way about it.

Once again he may not have gained personally financially THIS time but that doesn’t prove he didn’t have some other motive to make up the story Money isn’t the only motivator some con men just “get off” on knowing that they can get one over on people.

Also how about when he was taking bids for a big movie deal?
variety.com...

Or the $6,000 he got from ONE interview for Nippon TV in 1990 that’s a good chunk of money for a 4 hour interview back then.
www.dreamlandresort.com...

Also once again are his family friends or associates profiting? His wife? Leer?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Jay-morris

Well Travis did know about a National Enquirer offer of a $5000 reward for "positive proof" of an extraterrestrial encounter. Guess what happened not too long after....?

- Walton and the other crew members divided the $5000 and gave exclusive story rights to the Enquirer.

- Walton's medical exams and initial failed-but-kept-secret polygraph test were set up and paid for by the National Enquirer.

- Walton's supposed abduction provided the much-needed "act of god" that enabled logging contractor Mike Rogers to avoid costly penalties due to the crew falling far behind schedule.

- Walton and Rogers could have easily rigged up a glowing light or other prop to make the other five think they'd seen a UFO.

- Faced with embarrassing questions, the Walton family decided they would only talk to people who did not doubt the abduction-by-aliens story.

See : Source




As for Corbell and Friedman. I'll leave them debating for eternity. Friedman was supposed to have retired. He got people interested in flying saucers, wrote a few books and appeared on TV and at conferences. Corbell has made a handful of films that are aimed at the casual viewer. Both are entertainers first and there isn't particularly anything wrong with that.

I really believe someone could have solved the Bob Lazar story long before now given enough time and resources. Maybe they have?

But where would be the fun in that for everyone else?

Answer me this question about the Travis Walton case. Why have none of the other witnesess come forward to say it was a hoax? If they initially went along with the story for money, why not come clean now, as they would make money doing so.

Travis and Mike were close, but the other were not. Crew member Dallas was a handful. The rest of the crew got on with their lives. It's only Travis who has made money from this.

So, the others beingbinvolved in the hoax, does not make sense. Not one bit.


As for Lazar, what was his motive for coming out with a story like this? He has made no money from it, hated the attention, hence the reason he distanced himself from it. What was his motive?

We all know he worked Los Alamos. People remember him there as a scientist, so how did he get that job there if he has no qualifications? And more importantly, why did they deny he worked there, only for Knapp to find out he did?

And how did he know things about area 51 he should not have known about? This case is far from having a conclusion!

Also, will add this basically to show that some people who claim not to, use their beliefs more often than not. Why is it thst if a ufo witness fails a lie detector test, that is proof thst they are lying. But when someone passes with flying colours like Lazar did, suddenly they are unreliable.

Why is that?

I will say what I have said in countless of other threads. I am not in the believer group, and I am not in the hard-core skeptics group. I am where everyone should be, but sadly they are not, and that is to have an open mind, without blindly believing or not believing. Look at this without beliefs on both sides, which does not help.

a reply to: Jay-morris

Answer me this question about the Travis Walton case. Why have none of the other witnesess come forward to say it was a hoax? If they initially went along with the story for money, why not come clean now, as they would make money doing so.

Can you prove they weren't paid more money or threatened to maintain the story?

Travis and Mike were close, but the other were not. Crew member Dallas was a handful. The rest of the crew got on with their lives. It's only Travis who has made money from this. So, the others beingbinvolved in the hoax, does not make sense. Not one bit.

Maybe not to you. But what if there are people who want to maintain the illusion that aliens are real and they abduct people? Where is your proof that this doesn't happen?

As for Lazar, what was his motive for coming out with a story like this? He has made no money from it

Can you prove Lazar made no money from his story?