An Electromagnetic Event Impacting The United States Is Inevitable. Get Ready Now

a reply to: infolurker

The united states has been ready for emps since the 70s.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

i shall correct that for you :

a large section of the US military , and a tiny sliver of the US govt [ using the term to encompass EVERYTHING from the POTUS down to county clerks and town councils ] has been ready for EMP Events since the 70s

BUT - they certainly do NOT have the capacity - to continue the full range of govt required in 2018

nor can they manage to maintain the commerical trace - both foreign and domestic to support thier country and its population

but hey - carry on ...............

a reply to: infolurker

I believe that this is a possibility, the main problem will be automobiles as I would think it would be relatively inexpensive to jerry rig home electronics with some protections. Auto's however frighten me, so many things going on in them and you don't really know where everything is. I was thinking of buying and old junker and just starting it once in a while because I heard or read that if the engine of a car isnt running during an EMP that it will not be affected. Is that true? Anyone here know?

You can prepare by having an alternative power source and equipment protected from EMPs to live a mostly normal lifestyle after the event. I have done some things toward that end, but am far from ready for something big.

I have an aluminum sided home with a tin roof I've grounded that should help protect everything inside. I have a generator outdoors that is inside a Faraday cage of wire mesh. My antenna mast is grounded, however, not very well. There are methods for grounding an antenna against a lightening strike that would apply to an EMP, but I haven't hardened the system yet.

The biggest damage caused by an EMP are to wires, cables and transformers. So anything plugged into the electrical grid is at the greatest risk. Any radios, TVs or WiFi systems that have outdoor antennas with coax cables are at great risk as well. It wouldn't destroy a solar panel, but it could fry the wires.

As always with regards to prepping and survival, "two is one and and one is none".

a reply to: infolurker

Just about everything is inevitable given a long enough piece of string.

It might be in the post but that does not mean it's going to arrive anytime soon.

originally posted by: MisterSpock
Not my precious social media....ohh no.

I'm ready though. Have 2 pallets of funions and a months worth of beer.

Funions and beer, huh?

How ya on toliet paper ?

Here's a great read I found on the myths and facts of what a real EMP both solar and nuclear would do......

Seems to debunk a lot of assumptions

EMP myths and facts

I would imagine the most prepared, knowledgeable and least effected individuals will be found in the rural Amish areas. Many farms today just outside of cities have become more reliant on using electricity and machinery to produce, gather and process.

Realizing that looters and starving folks will by far outnumber me eventually! Prepping means more than just stockpiling.

Instead of focusing on generators, I have focused more on learning how to do all sorts of things the old fashion way before electricity. It is a fun hobby. Many tasks and projects that are fun to use and share with family and friends. Once instructed, it is amazing how simple and effective many really are. Best to actually practice and understand stuff before you no longer have that Internet tutorial or even lose your notes or instruction booklets.

I certainly am not an expert on any one thing, but I have the ability to make functional necessities and catch, process, preserve and cook smaller animals, birds, and fish without a weapon or modern pole. Family and friends are always fascinated with my craft projects. They are all basic homesteading 101.

I will have to hope that the majority of folks will have enough sense to seek out instruction on how to survive rather than simply steal supplies to last one more week. Surviving is a lot easier to take on when there are more knowledgeable 'homesteading' folks to share the different tasks for survival.

My plan will be for my family and I to survive...back up plan for me...is knowing how to do that even if my preps are taken as well. Will it be more difficult? Most definitely! Back up x 3 will be setting my independent ego aside and making my way to attempt to negotiate my labor, services and knowledge with the the closest Amish communities. Simply for the larger community of protection from the takers.

So I am curious, if the OP or other preppers have considered what they would or could do? Will you just join in and become a taker too, save that last bullet for yourself or loved one? Or have you learned and practiced how to prep afterwards if you don't have those pre-emp/shtf modern conveniences?

What is your back up x 2 or 3 to actually survive?

a reply to: ignorant_ape

a large section of the US military , and a tiny sliver of the US govt [ using the term to encompass EVERYTHING from the POTUS down to county clerks and town councils ] has been ready for EMP Events since the 70s

Agreed . ty.

The greatest problem would be long-term food supply. Currently, every American farm worker feeds ~ 300 people.

That statistic will plummet, as refineries quit making enough diesel, and new crops can't be sewn, irrigated, harvested, processed, or distributed to urban populations.

I think you'd see a "rim" effect; where a few people on the coasts with sailboats are able to do some pretty intensive fishing, and the massive granaries along the Ohio and Mississippi rivers are raided so people can survive for months on feed-grade corn and wheat.

Other than that, the distribution paths, not even a network, would collapse back to coastal sail, pole barges on Americas great waterways, and horseback-led cattle drives from the plains to the navigable tributaries of the big rivers. I expect there'd be sail trade between New Orleans and Latin America, Miami and the Caribbean, and a bit of transatlantic after people rigged up big enough boats. But all that would be limited to the coasts until infrastructure was re-developed to the interior.

Whitetail were nearly extinct by 1920, and didn't recover until the 1960s. Elk went extinct in Colorado and Pennsylvania I think. And without parks & wildlife to stock the lakes and streams, fishing would be a waste of time.

The race would be to develop seed supplies and small livestock breeding programs, as every median and yard would become a garden, every alley and empty lot would sport a pigpen or chicken coop, all guarded by hungry neophyte farmers--armed and ready to shoot. That's what Russia was like in the early ninetys

originally posted by: MisterSpock
Not my precious social media....ohh no.

I'm ready though. Have 2 pallets of funions and a months worth of beer.

A months worth of beer how many acres you got?

originally posted by: MisterSpock
a reply to: Nothin

Ya....I'm sure all those farmers...and their children who are more likely to have served in some capacity in the military would let a bunch of waxed bearded urban hipsters pouch their livelihood from then in a shtf scenario.

Sorry, urbanites are doomed in basically every scenario.

3 months worth of food for 100 men and their families and we have a new beginning.....and we are marching on rural areas post haste....we are moving expanding and growing and taking everything along the way.Tribalism is the way to go.

For the record an EMP isn't about to happen but could happen in the future.

90% seems to be a pretty high estimate. Humans are resourceful and adaptable.

No 90% sounds about accurate.
Most of the food industry is automated and an EMP could take months to years to recover from.
You have to be realistic here. People aren't going to help each other, they are going to help themselves and the ones they love.

Your refridgerators probably have about 3 days of food for the family if your lucky but what then? by the time you've looked through your stockpiles, Shops would already be raided and salvaged of everything. Once all the supplies have gone you'd expect homes to be broken into if they haven't already. Police can't help you because they're doing the same and the army can't protect you because they're securing farmland.

Also why an EMP on America? what about us in England?

This has never been tested before at that scale, and i am skeptical of the assumption that the effect would have 100% or near 100% effectiveness throughout the entire blanket area.

Also this doomporn flavor of the week doesnt take into account any top secret weaponry that might prevent this. For example, hypothetical missile defense systems. Perhaps even space based.

A missile has to actually be able to make it to that location.

Then again, this could be like 9/11 and have some government and or military involvement.

I'd like to see this tested out on a large area, like at least a couple dozen square miles, with lots of electronics, lots of different types of electronics. Or maybe out in the ocean or something we could do a test on hundreds of square miles using thousands of floating buoys. with various electronics, and use a couple hundred boats in place of cars.

I bet at higher distances, the % of effected devices drops. We don't know that something like this will work over 1,000+ miles or even 100miles. It just feels like one big theory. All we have is experts giving their opinion... Just like how flouride is harmless, and Saddam had WMDs.

You've got every Tom Dick and Harry speaking like they know what its like to live through an EMP. Just how many nations, or cities even, have been "EMP'd" ? How about a single building?

originally posted by: 3n19m470


I bet at higher distances, the % of effected devices drops. We don't know that something like this will work over 1,000+ miles or even 100miles. It just feels like one big theory. All we have is experts giving their opinion... Just like how flouride is harmless, and Saddam had WMDs.

You've got every Tom Dick and Harry speaking like they know what its like to live through an EMP. Just how many nations, or cities even, have been "EMP'd" ? How about a single building?

Starfish Prime and the entire Fishbowl project were testing just what you are talking about--- a high altitude detonation, while recording the effects, especially on USN ships, but also cities, etc.

The real "wunderwaffe" aspect is that when an EMP goes off, it triggers a release of energy about 20-40 miles up, that causes the entire ionosphere within line-of-sight of the detonation to give off a pulse. So it's a pulse the size of disc with a 1000 mile radius, possibly. the pulse dissipates in a linear, rather than inverse-square, fashion.

a reply to: SpaghettiHero

FEMA estimates the average American city has about 3 days of food. Of course, people start dying immediately after EMP. All the traffic lights that malfunction, all the jetliners in the sky and at the airport suddenly with no propulsion and potentially no steering commands to wings and rudder. And EMS with non-functioning ambulances and potentially no 9-1-1 call center or dispatch.

As the death toll rises, the number of humans vying for a given morsel will decline.

people might raid groceries first, then pharmacies, then restaurants, followed by school cafeterias, church kitchens, and jails---anywhere there'd be food for numbers of people, without perhaps a lot of defense.

So maybe 10 days for the best of the looters. But once caloric intake drops below about 1200/day, the individual becomes lethargic and starts to sleep all the time. Doesn't exert effort, doesn't leave the house; just holes up somewhere and waits it out. This is the human's biological response to famine.

That lassitude means that after about 2 weeks, many people will be too starved to actually raid each other, or fight back.

When is it going to happen?
I would also like to know.... is it just America or will UK be getting it?

a reply to: 3n19m470

I thought I remembered reading about a drill being done of this type of event already. One of those preparation drills and it was geared toward the power grid going down. Problem is we hear that the drill will be done but then we don't get a comprehensive report afterward detailing the performance and or the outcome of what was learned and what types of protocol gets rolled out for an event of this magnitude.

We have preparations in place for natural disasters such as hurricanes, so why not roll out a list / kit of the type of prep needed for this possible EMP strike scenario. Just throwing out a general statement to be prepared is ridiculous for most folks... they don't know where to begin. All though having just said that I suppose the prep would be very similar to that of a hurricane though because power gets lost in most situations... but we don't lose a car unless it floods.

The main infrastructure in a hurricane of a particular zone or area does go down for a short period of time while the hurricane passes over, but the difference is that it is simply too dangerous to be out and about. With an EMP strike scenario folks will be out and about pronto.

I imagine a kit for an EMP would include information on how to re-establish basic communication with the world or area you are in. Loss of the communication imo is detrimental. Keeping the status quo and structure in place requires no break in the ability to communicate. So kits that offer this type of basic solution would be important. I think I read that putting a radio in a metal box would protect it in an EMP strike ?

leolady

originally posted by: leolady
a reply to: 3n19m470

I thought I remembered reading about a drill being done of this type of event already. One of those preparation drills and it was geared toward the power grid going down. Problem is we hear that the drill will be done but then we don't get a comprehensive report afterward detailing the performance and or the outcome of what was learned and what types of protocol gets rolled out for an event of this magnitude.

We have preparations in place for natural disasters such as hurricanes, so why not roll out a list / kit of the type of prep needed for this possible EMP strike scenario. Just throwing out a general statement to be prepared is ridiculous for most folks... they don't know where to begin. All though having just said that I suppose the prep would be very similar to that of a hurricane though because power gets lost in most situations... but we don't lose a car unless it floods.

The main infrastructure in a hurricane of a particular zone or area does go down for a short period of time while the hurricane passes over, but the difference is that it is simply too dangerous to be out and about. With an EMP strike scenario folks will be out and about pronto.

I imagine a kit for an EMP would include information on how to re-establish basic communication with the world or area you are in. Loss of the communication imo is detrimental. Keeping the status quo and structure in place requires no break in the ability to communicate. So kits that offer this type of basic solution would be important. I think I read that putting a radio in a metal box would protect it in an EMP strike ?

leolady

A shortwave transceiver is a lot more tolerant of emp or cme than other electronic devices; since it's type of spark-gap generator, and it has to be shielded vs itself.

You can get a hand-held unit for under a hundred dollars, and a ham radio license for under $50.

I took the test with about 100 people. About a third of them gave "disaster preparedness" as THE reason for getting their license.

a reply to: infolurker

Thanks for the Vid Link,
as troublesome as its reality is.
The success rate for a nations survival
is to prepare rather than repair.

Order/build the transformers now
and Faraday cage them underground.

The attackers are no longer relevant
after the event.
Particularly if the origin is The Sun.
SAVVY?