Terrible accident at work today

a reply to: chiefsmom

= $$$$$ and a nice dinner to look the other way?

a reply to: JinMI

we have raymond side loaders too. kind of bad ass lifts.

your exact situation is what i worry about.
we cast tubes and solid billets.

steel banded and racked.

i always worry about that # cause all the time i find # with improper banding or too much weight on a rack.

constantly.

its hard to keep dudes in line because it is so dangerous and we go through a lot of people.
multiple people per month are coming through and the process starts all over again.

originally posted by: teapot
a reply to: chiefsmom

= $$$$$ and a nice dinner to look the other way?

this happens.

ISO auditors are in quite often and there is talk of this type of deal.

why not

corruption everywhere else.

a reply to: TinySickTears

Thanks for answering, and apparently "getting" that I wasn't coming at you, just your company.

Glad that the poor guy survived, though sorry about his loss. And yours!

originally posted by: chiefsmom
a reply to: TinySickTears

Thanks for answering, and apparently "getting" that I wasn't coming at you, just your company.

Glad that the poor guy survived, though sorry about his loss. And yours!

thanks

just #ty to deal with.
wasnt tight with the dude but he is in for a rough time and i feel like # about it.

i know how 2 years went for me after i got hurt. his is going to be worse.
and worse in the end.

right before christmas. its #ed up

a reply to: TinySickTears

Yikes. I almost lost a thumb to a table saw a couple years back but I was fortunate that I never suffered any serious injuries in my years of warehousing.

I have however seen some nasty # and more than once, personally been saved by a cage. (I've never flipped a lift over though)

I mean, there's always that one time jumping out might have saved somebody but on the whole, your best bet is to hunker down and trust the cage. You gotta figure the average sitdown weighs twice as a much as a heavyish sedan. I've seen people jump and get smashed against walls, run over their own feet, etc. On the other hand, I have never seen a collapsed cage.

a reply to: TinySickTears

So the seat belt has been broken for 7 months.... he has worked there 4.... So you let him use a broken tool? You knew it was broke? Everybody knew it was broke?

It is all yours fault, be thankful he was not killed.

You guys basically taught him to disobey the safety rules.

I know, unions suck right???

a reply to: TinySickTears

Where is OSHA in all this ? A broken seatbelts is a fine, but an accident like you described is a major investigation. The shop or company safety compliance officer should be looking for a new gig. Also sounds like they are using equipment for something it is not designed for, as a forklift is for lifting items that are palletized and not for dragging pipe.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: eXia7
Can we say... lawsuit?

Don't you get a good chunk of $ for losing some digits?

if he pisses clean i would think he will walk away with a half a mill when it is all said and done. its going to be a rough road.
i got a good chunk but it took 2 years to get it.

Let me get this straight...

You still WORK for these idiots?

a reply to: TinySickTears

They are really awesome machines, but safe too. Designed to do the rows and rack storage.

The maint guy was always welding on the racks. Sometimes even omitting a support! Dangerous AF.

I'm surprised they let new guys use equipment when new.

a reply to: DJMSN

yeah i like the raymonds we have too


you used the monster right?

we had one of those at another place i worked but i did not use it.

we use these on the warehouse side. these are some slick machines once you get the hang of them

a reply to: tinner07

yup.

everyone knew it was broke.

a reply to: TinySickTears


Will He still be able to hitchhike to work?

originally posted by: TinySickTears

first, one of the major safety rules on tow motors is you are to be buckled in at all times and do not attempt to get out of the cab if it starts to tip.

I did a short stint in a warehouse. Did the forklift truck (United Kingdom) licence, I wasn't really keen on the pictures of the accidents, lots of injuries. I was very paranoid about driving one, and made a habit of getting somebody else to bring stock down from the rafters for me.

A few years after i had left the job, on Channel 4 one night, they showed 'Fork Lift Truck Driver Klaus' - it did make me laugh, and kind of wished i'd seen that rather than the various 'accident' pictures......

...... www.youtube.com...

a reply to: eXia7

I have been in workplace safety for 30 years and over that time I have seen safety videos from the US, read about safety standards in the US and read the work of many US safety consultants.

I just cannot avoid the conclusion that safety standards in Aus are higher than in the US and they are enforced more than they are in the US too.

Fortunately I am now retired and I will not have to put up with seeing our safety standards falling down to the rest of the world as they are going to do due to the global agenda and the TPP in particular but also other so called 'free trade agreements."

a reply to: TinySickTears

Ok...I'm from C'Bus myself and never heard it called that. I think that yer problem right their! Hate seeing peeps getting hurt at work.

Cleveland here, and it was a tow motor. Definitely regional.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

In the UK I think we would spin this in court as follows:

Operator was under the influence. Positive.

Employer did everything reasonably practicable to ensure safety of others? Negative, employer did not implement mandatory testing schedule.

Therefore under the HASAWA 1974 employer is negligent. Vicarious liability.

I forget the legal term for it, but when there are multiple negligent party's the court will find for the least negligent. Just can't remember the term.

So, in this case, while the operator may have been negligent in his operation of the machine, the larger liability is on the employer for improper safety equipment, and the manufacturer for the ROPS failure.

There will likely be both a criminal suit and a civil suit in this case likely with some mammoth punitive, direct and consequential/indirect damages!

I hope this guy is clean as a whistle in a drug test (and there WILL be one...unless the employer is completely insane). If so, he's in for a BIG settlement!!! Courts really frown on disabled or inoperative safety equipment (like really, really, frown on it)!!

P.S. Hope it's a big company with shiploads of liability insurance coverage because this one is going to cost 'em BIG TIME!!

Wish the employee the best in his recovery. That definitely sucks!

Here's a really s#tty story...

I had a HS buddy who was killed several years ago in a mining accident. He was operating a Caterpillar D10 (one of the largest bulldozers Caterpillar makes, about a 190,000 lb. machine). He was working a night shift at a coal mine.

Nobody knows what happened for sure, but somehow he backed over the ledge of a steep slope and tumbled down a 60 degree embankment about 300 yards into the bottom of a large mining pit. He was killed from blunt force trauma (crushed basically). He had been a heavy equipment operator for several decades (you have to be in order to be allowed to operate one of these monsters).

On top of the ledge he was working there were two light plants (basically trailer mounted generators with a mast and some stadium lights on top) in the area. One of the light plants wasn't working. The dozer had flood lights all over it for working at night, but those things have huge blind spots no matter how many lights are on them.

Seemed like a cut and dried case of employer liability, and his family was going to be taken care of for life.

BUT...then the toxicology report came back. He had traces (just traces) of Oxycodone in his blood from a minor ankle injury a week before.

180 degree about face...family received nothing and the findings were 100% operator error. All his family got was whatever his union pension was.

Sad, but true, story.