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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
The only way to acquire US nationality is via the operation of laws created by Congress. However, you can be born a citizen by virtue of the US Constitution.
The nationality is an ethnic or racial concept. On the other hand, citizenship is a legal or juristic concept.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
All of our laws regarding eligibility for a government office depend, in part, on citizenship and none expressly require nationality.
Why would Congress create a way to bypass eligibility laws by making it so someone who owes no allegiance to the US could be born a citizen?
8 U.S. Code § 1101 - Definitions
(21) The term “national” means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state.
(22) The term “national of the United States” means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
"The only way to acquire US nationality is via the operation of laws created by Congress. However, you can be born a citizen by virtue of the US Constitution."
How is that... Your statement above is backwards.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Do you honestly believe that every person who is an american holds allegiance to this country?
You do not have to love America to be an American.. Thats the best thing about living here. You are not forced into any kind of allegiance.
Well, you are actually forced into an allegiance and I assume you want to force it on every child born in the US, too?
But, if you aren't feeling it, then you can always renounce your US nationality and therefore your citizenship. Otherwise you have tacitly agreed to your US allegiance...if you qualified for citizenship and nationality under 8 US code section 1401, that is.
IOW, I am discussing concrete legal concepts...you're talking about your emotions.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Xtrozero
I am using the definitions that apply to the US nationality code:
8 U.S. Code § 1101 - Definitions
(21) The term “national” means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state.
(22) The term “national of the United States” means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Do you honestly believe that every person who is an american holds allegiance to this country?
You do not have to love America to be an American.. Thats the best thing about living here. You are not forced into any kind of allegiance.
Well, you are actually forced into an allegiance and I assume you want to force it on every child born in the US, too?
But, if you aren't feeling it, then you can always renounce your US nationality and therefore your citizenship. Otherwise you have tacitly agreed to your US allegiance...if you qualified for citizenship and nationality under 8 US code section 1401, that is.
IOW, I am discussing concrete legal concepts...you're talking about your emotions.
I don't think you can renounce your nationality...
8 U.S. Code § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
etc...
originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: MotherMayEye
I'm not sure how it relates to this, but I contracted for a German National in the 80's who lives permanently in the US.
His family was taken in for his parents working as double agents during WW2 and allowed to live here for life. He served in Vietnam and had all the rights of a citizen, but always maintained his German citizenship. His children were US citizens, but he was born in Germany.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Do you honestly believe that every person who is an american holds allegiance to this country?
You do not have to love America to be an American.. Thats the best thing about living here. You are not forced into any kind of allegiance.
Well, you are actually forced into an allegiance and I assume you want to force it on every child born in the US, too?
But, if you aren't feeling it, then you can always renounce your US nationality and therefore your citizenship. Otherwise you have tacitly agreed to your US allegiance...if you qualified for citizenship and nationality under 8 US code section 1401, that is.
IOW, I am discussing concrete legal concepts...you're talking about your emotions.
I don't think you can renounce your nationality...
You can:
8 U.S. Code § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
etc...
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: MotherMayEye
I'm not sure how it relates to this, but I contracted for a German National in the 80's who lives permanently in the US.
His family was taken in for his parents working as double agents during WW2 and allowed to live here for life. He served in Vietnam and had all the rights of a citizen, but always maintained his German citizenship. His children were US citizens, but he was born in Germany.
Case in point.
I have a son born in Japan...what is his nationality? He is a US Citizen since his parents are...
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Xtrozero
But they are obviously not interchangeable as evidenced in 8 US Code Section 1401.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
You asked about his nationality....he is a U.S. National.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Do you honestly believe that every person who is an american holds allegiance to this country?
You do not have to love America to be an American.. Thats the best thing about living here. You are not forced into any kind of allegiance.
Well, you are actually forced into an allegiance and I assume you want to force it on every child born in the US, too?
But, if you aren't feeling it, then you can always renounce your US nationality and therefore your citizenship. Otherwise you have tacitly agreed to your US allegiance...if you qualified for citizenship and nationality under 8 US code section 1401, that is.
IOW, I am discussing concrete legal concepts...you're talking about your emotions.
I don't think you can renounce your nationality...
You can:
8 U.S. Code § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
etc...
Link
So what rights does that give you? As I said before the two are also interchangeable. Not sure the point you are making here though...
8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(etc…)
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Xtrozero
But they are obviously not interchangeable as evidenced in 8 US Code Section 1401.
Get to your point then...lol
What are you trying to say here?
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
You asked about his nationality....he is a U.S. National.
What is the nationality of child born on US soil whose parents are not US nationals/citizens?
originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: MotherMayEye
I'm not sure how it relates to this, but I contracted for a German National in the 80's who lives permanently in the US.
His family was taken in for his parents working as double agents during WW2 and allowed to live here for life. He served in Vietnam and had all the rights of a citizen, but always maintained his German citizenship. His children were US citizens, but he was born in Germany.
originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Xtrozero
I get that part. Just because parents are traveling when the kid is born, they are still US citizens.
In his case though, he was never a citizen but had the right to stay and act as if he was one. His kids though were born US citizens which is kind of different. I think what I'm missing in that is his wife is an American. That explains it. I was not thinking right.