The New, New World Order?

Recently, Europe has been embroiled in a fight with the rise of right-wing nationalist movements. These movements have been mostly attributed to immigration policies by Democratic/Socialist governments. Almost every country has seen a rise in Nationalism, some as high as 25%
www.bbc.com...

Recently, that beacon of niceness, Sweeden, saw massive gains in the anti-immigration parties.
www.npr.org...


Many of the articles point to unemployment, as a possibility, but looking at that stats, it does not necessarily bear that out.

www.statista.com...

So what is causing this trend to the right? According to the Brookings Institute it is good ole tribalism. The immigration policies have people on edge about losing their culture, their traditions, and their national identities. I can see and agree with these sentiments as to a point as most immigrants are perceived to be from war-torn, poor, or mostly Muslim countries. www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/03/08/the-rise-of-european-populism-and-the-collapse-of-the-center-left/

I also think that it has been a long time since WW2, and humans have an incredibly short attention span. New generations have no idea of the horrors of the first 2 world wars as history books seem to want to soften the details, instead of delivering a harsh dose of blood and guts. So as they embrace Nazi'ish beliefs, they are not seeing the real horrors on a first person account, but as a video game bad guy.


Whatever the reason, it will be interesting to see what happens. I do not think the EU can survive in a Nationalist world. So what happens then?
Russia?
Russia is buying influence on several fronts....and lets not forget that Germany is desperate for that oil pipeline.
www.humanrightsfirst.org...

China?
China has offered to buy Portugals entire energy grid. Can you imagine that? China has invested $318 billion in Europe since 2008. Peddling influence and no doubt stealing secrets.

carnegieendowment.org...

It will be interesting to watch how it all plays out...

a reply to: lakenheath24

I heard the NPR segment this a.m. with coffee; interesting but...Sweden, 18%? I dunno but that doesn't sound like very much. The two centerist parties are left to try to figure out if they can cobble together a co-alition government and neither one will work with the Nationalist party.

I could be wrong, but as far as Europe is concerned, I don't see the Nationalists gaining much traction past maybe the 25% mark. They could cause trouble BUT and its a big BUT, they've forgotten one of histories lessons. Nationalist parties don't succeed in the face of booming economies. IF the EU countries economies collapse into a Depression, then just as Hitler did, the Nationalist parties might have a chance to take power.

As for the US? I don't see any rise in a Nationalist type party or the Nationalists taking over the Republican party; it looks to me like Trump is a one-off. This problem goes away when the Dems retake DC and and re-institute the Open Borders policies. Of course if they do that while at the same time trying to fund a huge socialist welfare apparatus, they'll wreck the economy, tank the dollar and the Chinese win. But the Chinese play the "long" game and they'll probably win in the long run anyway.

a reply to: lakenheath24

So what is causing this trend to the right?

People that still have common sense and a sense of self preservation?

a reply to: lakenheath24

Tribalism huh? That's laughable. Notice that the MSM worldwide isn't calling it a rise in nationalism. They're calling it a rise in "far-right racism."

Ask yourself why they'd characterize it that way. What do they have to lose? If it's on the rise, it's a direct reflection of that nation's citizens' opinions.

Why wouldn't the media simply report objectively that folks feel this way instead of categorizing them as racists?

I love the propaganda!!!

I love reading the pavlovian responses.

Europe cannot survive as Europe with the invasion that’s happening, if you don’t care that Europe is being invaded, that’s cool, but don’t pretend its not happening

a reply to: SocratesJohnson

I've been watching what's happening in Sweeden, Germany and England for at least the past 18 months and can say without a doubt the rise of right wing groups coincides with north African and Muslim immigration. Who self respecting European wants their own to be raped or stabbed by an outsider? I'm 100% behind these groups trying to clean up their countries

The articles i posted called it nationalism.
Xenophobia even.
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

a reply to: TonyS

I could be wrong, but as far as Europe is concerned, I don't see the Nationalists gaining much traction past maybe the 25% mark.

Is this Trumps "base?"

a reply to: lakenheath24

There is nothing wrong with nationalism. I want politicians who put the lives of their own citizens as a priority over the global population.

The EU can't fix the middle east by moving all the refugees to the EU without collapsing the EU. In the same way the US can't fix South America by moving all South Americans here.

Massive immigration isn't fixing the problems in the ME or South America, but it is causing problems in the countries that are accepting massive amounts of immigrants. We don't need open borders. We need financially responsible governments that look out for the welfare of their own people.

We are not a small enough world to think any nation or idea can or should try to take over the world.

Nationalism isn't the problem. The problems are elitists who think they have some obligation to bring the world under one government controlled by them to solve the world's problems.

It wasn't Nationalism that lead Hitler's Germany down a dark path it was Elitism. One should not be mistaken for the other. Nor is it nationalism that lead us into the "Project for the New American Century" which is just an extension of Nazi Elitism with a new name.

Elitism cannot be allowed in a free world. Any nation that wishes to adopt Elitism over a Democracy of the people, by the people and for the people will result in some form of genocide. As the leaders of Elitists nations gain power the Narcissistic ideas of Elitism will always find it's ways crossing borders and trying to dictate the policy of other nations. Genocide will continue to be justified by the moto "the ends justifies the means".

Nationalism is great for a nation so long as the Elitist are kept out of power. Their is nothing wrong with national pride. Their is nothing wrong with putting your own citizens first in global affairs. Their is nothing wrong with trying to perseve a cultural that the people believe in.

The only problem is trying to force once views and culture on the rest of the world. Which ahas nothing to do with Nationalism and everything to do with Elitism. The end of Elitism will be a path to a safer planet.

a reply to: Isurrender73

What is nationalism other them group elitism?

originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: Isurrender73

What is nationalism other them group elitism?

Nationalism is pride in your culture, heritage and the well being of your friends and neighbors.

Nationalism doesn't say that US culture is better than Chinese culture. Nationalism simply says I prefer the culture I was raised with.

Nationalism is like religion. I love my religion and I don't want to change my religious beliefs because yours are different than mine. But I don't condemn anyone for having different religious viewpoints.

Elitism is like religious extremism that says I need to convert or kill everyone who doesn't see that my way as best.

In the US no one is forced to accept any religion. Nor is anyone forced to accept our culture that lives here. We have the rule of law, which is constitutionality not supposed to be influenced by religion or culture.

If I say I am proud to be an American and I want a president that puts the lives and values of the American citizens first in all decisions I am not being an elitist I am being a realist.

If I thought it was possible to spread true Democray across the globe in a peaceful manner I would support that because I believe in Democracy. But the reality is that is simply not possible so I prefer to focus on the things that are possible.

I'm not interested in politicians trying to save the world. The idea is impossible anyway. I am interested in politicians who wants whats best for the people who elected them. I want my freedom and democracy. I don't want to force my freedom or Democracy on anyone. For all I know 1000 years from now the world will be a communist Utopia. But for now I prefer to have my voice, my freedom, my Democracy. If the Chinese people want to keep thier Communism good for them. They should support whatever they believe in. If the Middle East wants to keep their theocracy they too should do whatever they believe in.

a reply to: Isurrender73

Kalergi plan is in full effect in Europe

I never heard of him before thank you for the reference.

I just read a little about his ideology. Like Marx he presents some good ideas with good intentions.

Elitist try to force these ideologies on the people in an undemocratic fasion, AKA Facism, and it always backfires and collapses.

I believe the ideologies of Socialism and Globalism will be the future of mankind. But I don't believe that an Elitist group can nor should try to force them on the population.

Globalism, Socialism and Communism should arise organically within a Democracy. When these ideas are implemented through organic means then they will take hold and provide a more peaceful and fair society.

Elitist who try to force these ideas on people are never in it for the people. They simply see these ideas as a way for a small group to gain more control over a population.

If these ideas grow organically without force or coercion then they will be ideas that produce a more balanced system. These ideas will grow as a representation of the will of the people without giving untethered power to a small group of elitist.

a reply to: Isurrender73

I didn't say there was. In fact, I believe in national pride in ones own culture. When I go to Germany, I dont order a burger and chips. In fact, I am going to Italy in a couple weeks on holiday to a place way off the tourist track, and I will NOT be seeking out a McDonalds!

I am not sure of the elitist position, other than Hitler used nationalism to promote his agenda. Europe, like the US is running away from the middle...this is why I mentioned tribalism. It's like there is a fear to admit that the left/right each have good ideas, but if one agrees with the other, they are lambasted by either side.


I also cannot get my head around the fact that the reason for the mass migration was the West's awful ME policies. The West wants to contain Islamic violence, so they created proxy wars, only to bring those same muslim refugees to their home soil where they are now proliferating and quickly gaining power and influence in a lot of areas. It boggles ones mind.

a reply to: SPNoble

Dang, I just read that, and it is out there! It makes for good reading, but I am not sure if it is plausible.

originally posted by: lakenheath24
The articles i posted called it nationalism.
Xenophobia even.
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Well they would wouldn't they?

In the same way as anyone who voices an opinion ..... any opinion .... on the

downsides of immigration gets to being called a racist.

Name calling of people needs to stop. People with opposite opinions have reasons

for them, and as free people are entitled to them.


Humans are educated to think and form opinions, and therefor they have a variety

of opinions.... they are NOT sheep.

Who has the deciding factor of who's opinion the right one???

originally posted by: lakenheath24

So what is causing this trend to the right?

Entrocentrism + Lies

Whatever the reason, it will be interesting to see what happens. I do not think the EU can survive in a Nationalist world. So what happens then?

A New World Order, same as always, with countries becoming nations states or regions... oops!

China?
China has offered to buy Portugals entire energy grid. Can you imagine that?

Yes

Or pehaps its cultural relativism?



a reply to: XXXN3O

What we have are several false premises:
1) Nationalism is Fascism.
2) Globalism is a Leftist movement.

If anything, globalism is corporatism which seeks to supplant all localized resistance. It is neither left nor right because it does not arise from the people and is de facto anti-democratic. They are willing to use every manner of divide and conquer but are playing the Right versus Left among polities.

Nationalism is democracy's last hope. Without some localized control you cannot have representative government. This is why Nationalism is slandered by the MSM, corporations are rootless constructs with allegiance to nothing but profit, not to the people of any particular region or political affiliation. They fund and control groups on both sides of the R/L divide in order to keep tensions sustained. Since 2000 the power of these multinationals have increased dramatically and in their effort to destabilize nation-states have polarized their populations.

I'd long wondered what happened to make people seem to be so irreconcilable these days and I believe that is the answer. We are not really at war ideologically with each other so much as being used as pawns to increase corporate reach and power.

Any one ever play the game called Tribes?