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Lincoln and the Santee Sioux.

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posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 12:37 AM
Apparently Prez Lincoln communted 200 hanging sentences for Santee Sioux males.

Nevertheless, 39 were still hanged on his watch!

Hanged for what?
Protecting their homeland.

How should Lincoln be viewed in that respect?
A liberator, or a mass-murderer?

The subsequent trials of the prisoners gave little attention to the injustices the Indians had suffered on the reservations and largely catered to the popular desire for revenge. However, President Lincoln’s commutation of the majority of the death sentences clearly reflected his understanding that the Minnesota Uprising had been rooted in a long history of Anglo abuse of the Santee Sioux

Sentencing all those men to death showed his "understanding" of their "plight"?
Is that how history should be interpreted?

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 02:04 AM
How should Lincoln be viewed?

As a statist tyrant responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead Americans.

And you're all upset about 39 indians.

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 02:17 AM
Too many fictional trials on TV these days.

When the real issues will blow your mind

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 02:29 AM
a reply to: halfoldman

Perhaps only 39 of those arrested, actually killed.

Perhaps the others were just in the vicinity and not actually guilty.

Things like that happen.

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 02:42 AM
Or as granny may shout: "Lincoln with garlic, or without?"

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 02:47 AM
As indeed the Sioux.

Innocent bystanders to our civilization.

But wondering: innocent bystanders? How "innocent" are they really?

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 05:34 AM

originally posted by: halfoldman
Sentencing all those men to death showed his "understanding" of their "plight"?
Is that how history should be interpreted?

From the opening paragraph of the link in your OP:

"... in Minnesota, more than 300 Santee Sioux are found guilty of raping and murdering Anglo settlers and are sentenced to hang. A month later, President Abraham Lincoln commuted all but 39 of the death sentences. One of the Indians was granted a last-minute reprieve, but the other 38 were hanged simultaneously..."

The sentencing was done a month before he rocked up onto the scene.
The article doesn't give enough information to make any real judgement though and leaves a few unanswered questions.
Why didn't he commute the death sentences for the remaining 39?
What were the sentences commuted to?

"In Criminal Law, commutation is the substitution of a lesser punishment for a greater one. Contrasted with clemency, which is an act of grace eliminating a sentence or punishment, commutation is the modification or reduction of a punishment."


posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 05:39 AM
Outrage over things you can't change or effected you...quite in fact insane. Enjoy the rats crawling around in your skull.
a reply to: halfoldman

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 09:11 AM
Bothering about teachers.

Lions are always there.

Always a problem.

Now Islamism is a problem:

As far south as Mozambique.

You shouldn't teach at all.
Only they may teach.

How long until they are in our country?
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posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 12:57 PM

Never surrender!

edit on 6-6-2018 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 03:33 PM
Ulali - All my Relations:

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 03:45 PM
a reply to: halfoldman

Minnesota was a new frontier state in 1862, where white settlers were pushing out the Dakota Indians—also called the Sioux. A series of broken peace treaties culminated in the failure of the United States that summer to deliver promised food and supplies to the Indians, partial payment for their giving up their lands to whites. One local trader, Andrew Myrick, said of the Indians’ plight, “If they are hungry, let them eat grass.”

The Dakota leader Little Crow then led his “enraged and starving” tribe in a series of attacks on frontier settlements. The “US-Dakota War” didn’t last long: After six weeks, Henry Hastings Sibley, first governor of Minnesota and a leader of the state militia, captured 2,000 Dakota, and a military court sentenced 303 to death.

Lincoln, however, was “never an Indian hater,” Eric Foner writes in his Pulitzer Prize–winning book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery. He did not agree with General John Pope, sent to put down a Sioux uprising in southern Minnesota, who said “It is my purpose utterly to exterminate the Sioux if I have the power to do so.” Lincoln “carefully reviewed the trial records,” Foner reports, and found a lack of evidence at most of the tribunals. He commuted the sentences of 265 of the Indians—a politically unpopular move. But, he said, “I could not afford to hang men for votes.”

The Nation

Yeah, sure sounds like the monster that you're trying to make him out to be.

I'm not dismissing the actions of the treaty breaking by the US with Native Americans--that's a shameful part of our history--but it helps to tell a bit more of the story instead of selectively quoting why you think that Lincoln was a mass-murderer in this instance. He personally reviewed the evidence from the military trials and found 265 of the 303 sentenced to be lacking evidence for a death sentence or even a conviction; he personally saved 87% of the convicted from being murdered, allowing the remaining 13% to be hanged to death because, apparently, the evidence was pretty clear that they committed the atrocities.

So, mass murderer, or level-headed president who didn't allow the murder of 87% of convicted natives?

You are looking at history through a jaundiced eye--sure, those natives may have been justified in their anger, but when they take things two far by attacking settlements, most of whom living in them had nothing to do with the government reneging on the treaties, then laws must be upheld for those guilty of atrocities.

If you have evidence that the 38 who were hanged were innocent, by all means, please share.

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 04:12 PM
An Indian hater?
Nobody will confess to that.
Not even Columbus.
But your disease and your policies wiped the indigenous people out.

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 04:16 PM
I think I got the flu.

Hopefully no indigenous people around me.

I don't mean to, but potentially gonna wipe out an entire two continents.

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 04:18 PM
Leave me - if only you knew!

Shame, found him on the shore, and he's sick, is there nothing we can do for this man?

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 04:44 PM
Nope, don't do your rituals, don't make incense for me.
Best you leave me, and if so, leave me to die.

posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 09:10 PM
The Baka (pygmies):

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