CNN Exclusive, Women accuse Morgan Freeman of inappropriate behavior, harassment

a reply to: howtonhawky
I find it very interesting that many of the same folks posting around the internet that people that remained in slavery to remain alive, did so by choice.

Are the same ones that are saying that those that went along to obtain fame and wealth did so under duress and that they should receive justice for the pain they had to endure years ago.

Okay. I know I asked for it. Flame away.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: eNumbra

You all lump every sexual action and advance in together with this harvey person and cosby. Roofie by choice is not a roofie.

I didn’t, and haven’t, but am never surprised by ATS general lack of ability to not misconstrue and straw man people.
Enjoy your circle jerk.

TransLink pulls Morgan Freeman voiceclips

Oh well no random train triggerings I guess.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
To my knowledge, nobody has ever accused Samuel L Jackson of anything.

That better not happen, I'd never be able to drink his beer again and enjoy it if that were the case.

Dude, does it matter? It's ALWAYS a good choice!

originally posted by: howtonhawky
I bet that at some point most of us were just unwanted sexual advances.

Imagine that.

Not a good time to date, glad I'm married. You do not know if the woman wants a kiss or not so you lean in and if she kisses you all is good, if she does not then it is unwanted sexual advances. lol When I was younger I must have been a sexual predator since I got turned down many times...

a reply to: Willtell

Nah, all Morgan Freeman has to do is apologize in his soothing, comforting voice and all's well. The majority will accept his apology and ignore the women. That's what i hope happens.

Women need to take responsibility for themselves. Its appalling that women who didn't like the flirting, and creepy looks couldn't just say so to his face. Instead they want to pop up years later and ruin a man's career.

What happened to Senator Al Franken is an example. He was forced to resign just for flirting. No women complained at the time.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
So is this that white privilege thingy I've heard about?

He heard if you were rich and famous they let you do stuff to them.

originally posted by: EchoesInTime

What happened to Senator Al Franken is an example. He was forced to resign just for flirting. No women complained at the time.

As a comedian he touched a woman on the chest with one inch of battle armor and a military vest between his hands and her breasts. If that is not sexual assault, I do not know what is!

As much as I have disliked old Al, even I was like, Really? This is why "inappropriate behaver" was reinvented to label anything a person wants as a very wrong act that is not illegal in nature. If you want to take someone down just say that any interactions with them was "inappropriate behaver" and you have a good chance to get them fired, blacklisted etc and who knows if they are worth 400 million you might become America's next millionaire.

originally posted by: eNumbra


Yeah Harveys probably got an awful case of whiplash. The speed at which things are changing could pose a problem, the eagerness to make sure that era dies can lead to some serious overzealousness as could very well be the case here. But it’s obvious that society still needs to have a discussion about what is and isn’t acceptable behavior.

Aside: company recently had its yearly sexual harassment training meeting; I was astounded by the things people still needed to be told was unacceptable, and how recently some blatantly awful instances occurred.

I find the whole "acceptable behavior" thing very fluid per situation and per person. I think about a porn star who is told to have sex in a movie and then complains about it. It would be only a short time ago that the acceptable behavior norms in Hollywood were pretty close to what Weinstein was doing, so what discussion do we need to have that has not been said a million times?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

"We have a problem folks, "

Since when is this "our" problem? It certainly isn't my problem. It'll be a problem for the kids living in the "virtual" world.........but I certainly don't live there.

Really don't understand that mindset at all.

originally posted by: carewemust
Freeman has the same "look" about him as Bill Cosby. Easy to believe he's guilty of many things.

Wow.

They don't look alike at all - and even if they were twins.. ..just wow.


We have to hope and pray judges, leos, care givers, employers, service providers and loan officers don't have the same "opinion".

originally posted by: carewemust
Freeman has the same "look" about him as Bill Cosby. Easy to believe he's guilty of many things.

What does that mean " look about him"

doesn't sound too cool.

a reply to: EchoesInTime

Maybe you’re right. I hope this was just flirting. But the present climate doesn’t bode well.

What I’ve read so far is that it was at worst aggressive flirting.

Is each accuser certain that this is the guy?


The reason I axe is because whilst on media monitoring duty a few months ago, I saw Samuel Jackson being interviewed on some entertainment program. The host was a white guy with dark hair, Of this I am certain, because when the host highlighted Sam’s career
he mentioned “Matrix” or some other event, at which point Jackson exploded.

He began spouting things such as:
“I am not Fishburne!”, and
“We don’t all look alike...!”.


The host most certainly would have been uncomfortable and apologetic but I wasn’t especially keen on watching a guy grovel so I broke off.

I ought to have stayed on for the duration but the subject matter did not seem especially
fruitful in regard to what I was scanning for.

The point being that if the entertainment specialist confused Jackson with Fishburne, I suppose anyone could. The way I kept Will Smith, Chris Rock, and Eddie Murphy straight in my mind is by remembering that Chris Rock did a lot of aids jokes, Murphy sang Roxanne in
“48 Hours”, and Will Smith was in that enemy of the state flick. And of course Brock Peters was spectacular in “The Incident”. I am certainly glad that wasn’t me facing Freeman, uh, Jackson on that day.

Here’s the link
m.youtube.com...

Upon review, I must say Sam handled the slight rather well. In my mind I had him grimacing, and provoking trouble. In fact, he was good natured about it.

# 986

Okay perhaps I can lay it out in clearly for the gentlemen out there. If you come within 3 feet of my personal space, and try to lift my skirt, I reserve the right to punch your #ing lights out and maybe break your arm in the process. Under no circumstances is that acceptable “run of the mill” behavior now or in the history of ever. And if you think it is then your part of the problem.

a reply to: IWant2Believe323
And that would have been a more appropriate response - as opposed to not doing or saying anything about it at the time, and years later jumping on the #metoo bandwagon, more than likely with the sole intention of getting some $$$ and attention.

Hell, he's an old man and his actions could well have been blamed on his senility. I bet the same thing happens all the time at retirement homes the world over, where's the outrage there?! Not rich and famous enough?

a reply to: Navieko

There is definitely a culture of accepting unacceptable behavior and I see it happen all the time. Hell I’ve put myself in situations I shouldn’t have when I look back. That responsibility falls on me too. Where it gets gray though is when someone in power makes those advances and now I’ve just punched him in the face, possibly broke his nose. I’m out a job now. My livliehood is at risk. What if he makes it so I can’t work in this town again? I have a family, kids. Fear pulses through me. All that flashes in a split second, what do you do then? I can’t pretend to know or judge what anyone would do in that situation. I grew up in Brooklyn so my fist would fly out like a mantis shrimp before I even realized it left my side. But that’s just me

originally posted by: Navieko

And that would have been a more appropriate response - as opposed to not doing or saying anything about it at the time...

Guess you didn't read the article where the studio personnel told the accusers that it was just 'Morgan being Morgan'.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: eNumbra


Yeah Harveys probably got an awful case of whiplash. The speed at which things are changing could pose a problem, the eagerness to make sure that era dies can lead to some serious overzealousness as could very well be the case here. But it’s obvious that society still needs to have a discussion about what is and isn’t acceptable behavior.

Aside: company recently had its yearly sexual harassment training meeting; I was astounded by the things people still needed to be told was unacceptable, and how recently some blatantly awful instances occurred.

I find the whole "acceptable behavior" thing very fluid per situation and per person. I think about a porn star who is told to have sex in a movie and then complains about it. It would be only a short time ago that the acceptable behavior norms in Hollywood were pretty close to what Weinstein was doing, so what discussion do we need to have that has not been said a million times?

Perhaps we can start with there being a difference between normal, acceptable behavior and behavior that’s being accepted as normal.
Even if Weinstein’s behavior was accepted as a norm of Hollywood, that doesn’t make it normal, or acceptable. Where else would you have a boss interviewing you whilst fondling himself, or any of the other numerous things he’s accused of. The fact that it happens doesn’t make it normal, being accepted doesn’t make it acceptable at the time or otherwise. Weinstein was the quintessential quid pro quo, if you wanted to work for him, you did whatever sexual favor he wanted of you.

Think of it like slavery, once accepted as a part of life, we can understand the the agency and sovereignty of a person means that enslaving someone is literally up in the list of top 5 worst things you can do to people.


Not saying no certainly doesn’t help, and perpetuates the unwanted behavior(quick aside, what Morgan freeman allegedly did here may have been what he thought was simply flirtatious but ended up crossing a line and was never told to stop, and doesn’t even remotely compare to what Cosby or Weinstein did), that doesn’t make it acceptable or accepted. Kids on a playground might accept that the big kid is the bully, but that doesn’t make his behavior an acceptable one.

People hate hearing these stories come out but only by exposing them, to everyone, will anything change.

a reply to: eNumbra
It is not just a simple boys will be boys situation. If we are going to fix it, we have to be honest, and in an environment where few want to to take responsibility for their own actions, or in a society were people are led to believe they have the right to do and think as they please, and everyone has to go along with it, I don't see a solution in the near future.

"Boys will be boys." What does that mean exactly? How did that even become a thing?

When I was a girl, I was not allowed to show my shoulders, that allowed for too much cleavage. Even though I was flat as a pancake. My hem had to be 3 inches below my knees, and I could only wear pants when I was at home. My parent's warning was, "You don't advertise what is not for sell." Those were the norms of my day,

As the hemline crept up, and necklines plummeted, respect for women took a nosedive with it. Skirts being shot up by blasts of air from a grate became the symbol of sexiness. We are good at pushing the envelope. Sharon Stone's quick peek had to be outdone, so now it is common to see movie stars traipsing the carpet naked except for a thin veil of material. I guess the message is "I am too valuable." Desire me. Look but don't touch.

The problem comes when there is a dispute, when there is a disagreement on your legitimacy, the price you place on yourself, and what someone is willing to pay.

If you can have buyer's remorse, can you have seller's remorse?