evolution, the facts that inform the theory'?

That is interesting. From what point in history did that ideology take hold?
Because atheism is a very recently accepted idea. Almost all cultures revolved around omnipotent gods. Atheists were rare, ridiculed and considered rogue outcasts until just the last few centuries. Where do you get these ideas from?a reply to: JoshuaCox

a reply to: ClovenSky

Genetic disease does not disprove evolution. The genome is never perfect. To say that imperfection could be "bred out" is misunderstanding the nature of evolution and the complexity of life.

originally posted by: bulwarkz
That is interesting. From what point in history did that ideology take hold?
Because atheism is a very recently accepted idea. Almost all cultures revolved around omnipotent gods. Atheists were rare, ridiculed and considered rogue outcasts until just the last few centuries. Where do you get these ideas from?a reply to: JoshuaCox

Every child is atheist until some adult brainwashes them that god/s exist.

Da reply to: bulwarkz
that
It really has nothing to do with if the society has a strange supernatural belief system..


The Greeks had religion but thought their gods could be beaten or outsmarted and were at the mercy of the fates as well.

Once monotheism came around the dynamic changed..

Now anyone else’s gods were fake or demons in disguise.. which increased the persecution of and against different groups based on religion alone.


From the time of the conversion of the Roman emporer to the renaissance, religion ran society. The pope was higher than the king.


It wasn’t until secularism created the scientific method that things began to progress again..


And imho it isn’t Christianity specifically.. ya any religion with an lol powerful omnipotent god that insists o being the only one.



One could definitely make the opposite claim.. that the fall of the empire was responsible for everyone becoming Christians..


As things got worse they abandoned their old gods and tried a new one.

But if you chart the two on a graph of the two they go hand in hand.

And I am sure you believe that BS but that is untrue.
The priest/king lineage runs from Babylon till today.
You simply throw random possible claims out as facts using some things so far out of context it is too hard to argue.

No, throughout history less that 3% of any society were atheists. If you were an atheist you would most definately be shunned and an outcast almost in every culture.a reply to: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: bulwarkz
No, throughout history less that 3% of any society were atheists.

Every child was/is atheist until brainwashed by an adult.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: bulwarkz
No, throughout history less that 3% of any society were atheists.

Every child was/is atheist until brainwashed by an adult.

nothing could be further from the truth.
A loved child easily accepts the concept of a loving father.
Children naturally gravitate towards a god based on love even if false.
It is a childs nature to be "brainwashed" by loving parents

a reply to: bulwarkz
Bollocks, children only believe in 'god' when they are taught to.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Raggedyman

so true...

Tell me, what exactly did those bacteria lose in your opinion?

the ability to die because of antibiotics?

You won't understand it at all ak, it has scientific content
I shouldn't have to explain it.
Want to answer my op or troll

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Couldn't agree more on this one. Without the early indoctrination it would be very different.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Don't even pretend to pretend you understand Scientific theory Raggy. You do not. You do not understand science either.

There is a lot of evidence pointing towards evolution being the most likely cause of the variation in life we see today. Many of us have supplied evidence. However you never read it, you never debate it. Rather you just ignore it.

a reply to: bulwarkz

A) The Babylonians were not monotheistic..

when you have 1000 gods your never really sureif you should piss off someone else’s god..


Plus, I would have to check, but I doubt they believed their gods were infallible nor did they think the gods controlled every event in history..

Hell if I’m right the Babylonians specifically rebelled against an attempt at monotheism by way Zoastrisism.

B) the only thing I claimed was that you can chart the fall of the Roman Empire with the percent of the Roman population that were Christians..


That’s a fact..

The more Christians there were in the Roman Empire. The worse off the Roman Empire was or the worst off the Roman Empire was the more of the population converted.

C) it is undeniable that when people reach the point they think “god did it”. No more advancement is done in that field.


From before Ptolemy past Isaac Newton..

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Raggedyman

so true...

Tell me, what exactly did those bacteria lose in your opinion?

the ability to die because of antibiotics?

You won't understand it at all ak, it has scientific content
I shouldn't have to explain it.
Want to answer my op or troll

Basically saying factually you don't have a clue what you're talking about...

As everyone here already knows

Thanks much

a reply to: Raggedyman

Imagine a car, the antibiotic attacked the engine, destroyed the engine, the car was still there but the engine was destroyed, get it.

I don't think antibiotics affect car engines. But the bacteria continued to reproduce. Did the car?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Raggedyman

Imagine a car, the antibiotic attacked the engine, destroyed the engine, the car was still there but the engine was destroyed, get it.

I don't think antibiotics affect car engines. But the bacteria continued to reproduce. Did the car?

It was in Japan so the...

Ok, let's say they were ducks instead and the antibiotics destroyed their wings
Does that help any better
How about if we were to say the bacteria was like turtles and the antibiotics attacked their shells and the poor turtles were naked
Elephants? The antibiotics attacked and destroyed their trunks, trunk less elephants

Of course my mistake, I just assumed people would know how antibiotics worked, sill me.

Dude, you really just are not following closely. You are stuck with only what you know.
I said the priest/king lineage.
It started with Nimrod.

Follow the color purple.
What you are on about I can only wonder.
I never said anything about mono or polytheism, you did. Your arg is against your own strawman. You seem to want me to champion the only counterpoint you know to argue. Maybe Erhman hasn't adressed it yet.
I haven't looked back but I thought my point was simply about atheism vs. the belief in god/s

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: bulwarkz

A) The Babylonians were not monotheistic..

when you have 1000 gods your never really sureif you should piss off someone else’s god..


Plus, I would have to check, but I doubt they believed their gods were infallible nor did they think the gods controlled every event in history..

Hell if I’m right the Babylonians specifically rebelled against an attempt at monotheism by way Zoastrisism.

B) the only thing I claimed was that you can chart the fall of the Roman Empire with the percent of the Roman population that were Christians..


That’s a fact..

The more Christians there were in the Roman Empire. The worse off the Roman Empire was or the worst off the Roman Empire was the more of the population converted.

C) it is undeniable that when people reach the point they think “god did it”. No more advancement is done in that field.


From before Ptolemy past Isaac Newton..

ok, if I am following you, which I am not.
I said atheist.

a reply to: Raggedyman

antibiotics destroyed their wings

Just as stupid an analogy as the car but for a different reason. Ducks don't have to fly in order to reproduce and the acquired trait would not be inherited.

attacked their shells and the poor turtles were naked

Ditto. Stupid analogy. The trait would not be inherited.

The antibiotics attacked and destroyed their trunks, trunk less elephants

Ditto. Stupid analogy.