High rise in São Paulo has collapsed after massive fire

At least one person is dead, with more feared dead.

Firefighters said at least one person had been killed in the collapse and there could be more, as they tried to locate three others who were still unaccounted for.

The building, a former headquarters of the federal police, caught fire around 1:30am local time on the sixth floor, according to firefighter Andre Elias. Firefighters set up a perimeter and worked to evacuate people, with local media reporting that around 150 people lived in the lower 10 floors.

A few hours later, as flames engulfed the building's 26 floors, it collapsed.

www.abc.net.au...:-at-least-one-person-dead-after-building-collapse/9716978

There’s a few vids going around of it, pretty scary stuff.

According to a captain from the fire department, the building was occupied illegally and had a high risk. One of the problems was that the elevators had been removed, so the building had in result chimney-like tubes that allowed fresh air to keep the fire going and reach higher temperatures.

Source (in Portuguese)


Edited to add that the firemen were trying to remove a man when the building collapse, there's a slightly longer version of the video that shows it.

Doesn't this then contradict the claim of many 911 Truthers--that no steel frame building has ever collapsed from a fire alone?

a reply to: Chadwickus

Impossible! The government must have planted explosives!!!

originally posted by: starviego
Doesn't this then contradict the claim of many 911 Truthers--that no steel frame building has ever collapsed from a fire alone?

It does not contradict that claim, because at that time, there were no other examples.

However, there were also some rather large airplanes involved in those collapses as well.

Wow ...

I hope the one known casualty is the only one.

a reply to: ArMaP

Don't tell me.

They removed the elevators for "Safety" concerns right?

What a boondoggle !!

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originally posted by: starviego
Doesn't this then contradict the claim of many 911 Truthers--that no steel frame building has ever collapsed from a fire alone?

Way too early to speculate on that.

originally posted by: bender151
a reply to: Chadwickus

Impossible! The government must have planted explosives!!!

Nah, they used nanothermite!

originally posted by: starviego
Doesn't this then contradict the claim of many 911 Truthers--that no steel frame building has ever collapsed from a fire alone?

Yes, probably they are made of the same structure. You're so correct.

Also, they're probably the same size ya know.

Haven't you heard of the World Trade Center in Brazil?

Some more information here:

www.chicagotribune.com...

The area where those buildings were located in known as Centro. That building was the old federal police building and it is thought a gas leak started the fire. Centro was the old business district until a large number of office building fires led to tenants moving out and a new business district being created elsewhere. Political activist groups have been encouraging the occupation of these old buildings as a way of solving their housing crisis.

a reply to: starviego

Nobody is claiming this was terrorism either.
I wonder if we can see the blow outs that
occurred with the towers? I don't see this
as coming close to proof that 911 wasn't
somekind of psycho operation far beyond
common terrorism.

a reply to: xuenchen

No, they removed the elevators because the building was abandoned, it had been the head office of the federal police in São Paulo. Being a large abandoned building in one of the biggest cities in the world with housing problems it was naturally illegally occupied.

the blowouts on the towers was human waste but nobody wants to talk about that little thing.

27.7" of water equals 1 PSI.

1200' x 12" = 14400 / 27.7= 519 PSI Some of the sewer lines were 2' in diameter. Puts yesterdays burrito blast to shame.

Anyway HAPPY MAY DAY!!!

And right as they have been demolishing these buildings to get rid of drug addicts using them. Sometimes without removing the occupants it seems.

In Brazil, the Constitution, as well as federal, state and municipal laws, include strong housing protections, and the São Paulo Public Defender’s and Public Prosecutor’s offices have questioned whether such actions violate residents’ rights.

Undeterred, the city has continued to eradicate the area’s hotels, cafeterias, and pensions. At least three buildings were demolished and many others emptied and locked; residents of a neighbouring structure were wounded when it collapsed. For now, the courts have imposed a moratorium on compulsory evictions and demolitions in Cracolândia, asserting that by law households must be previously notified, registered and provided shelter.

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a reply to: Chadwickus

Did the building vaporize and collapse at free fall speed with no resistance?

originally posted by: starviego
Doesn't this then contradict the claim of many 911 Truthers--that no steel frame building has ever collapsed from a fire alone?

Wait, are you really trying to compare the structural engineering of a 26 story building with a 110 story building? You do realize that building doesn't have to be just 4 times stronger to stand that tall?

It's like comparing the structure of a kid tricycle to a bus.

a reply to: Kharron

And the difference in building codes would also
get an honorable mention.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: xuenchen

No, they removed the elevators because the building was abandoned, it had been the head office of the federal police in São Paulo. Being a large abandoned building in one of the biggest cities in the world with housing problems it was naturally illegally occupied.

So that's a good motivation for it to be a plausible 'off the record controlled demolition'. It doesn't explain why they wouldn't do it the legitimate way though (by telling everyone that's what they wanted to do).

I would like to know more about the history of the building, it's plans for demolition or refurbishment, it's insurance issues, other related politics - and any information about who was inside the building in the last two months (including any eyewitness reports of unsubstantiated 'visitors').

I would also like to see any and all financial information related to the building, it's blueprints, comments from the architects, reports about the details of the fire itself, etc.

originally posted by: Erich94
a reply to: Chadwickus

Did the building vaporize and collapse at free fall speed with no resistance?

Apparently yes.

That's why it's important to learn tons more about what happened here.
This is an astonishing event.