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I could express my discontent to myself however, I guess it would be free then, but sharing with another is when you could be held liable.
originally posted by: schuyler
The entire argument begs the question. It reminds me of the adage, "Freedom of the Press is for those who own one." Freedom of speech is meaningless if it cannot be disseminated or heard. So do you have freedom to be published? Sure, if you have help. The days of printing your own pamphlets and distributing them in the town square are over. You need some cooperation--and an Internet connection. You need to squeeze into an existing site like ATS and abide by their Terms and Conditions. And, for the record, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Yes, technically, free speech exists, but it is meaningless without context. It's like that old Stephen Crane poem:
A man said to the universe: “Sir, I exist!” “However,” replied the universe, “The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation.”
And LesMis: "anyways"??? Really?
originally posted by: schuyler
The entire argument begs the question. It reminds me of the adage, "Freedom of the Press is for those who own one." Freedom of speech is meaningless if it cannot be disseminated or heard. So do you have freedom to be published? Sure, if you have help. The days of printing your own pamphlets and distributing them in the town square are over. You need some cooperation--and an Internet connection. You need to squeeze into an existing site like ATS and abide by their Terms and Conditions. And, for the record, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Yes, technically, free speech exists, but it is meaningless without context. It's like that old Stephen Crane poem:
A man said to the universe: “Sir, I exist!” “However,” replied the universe, “The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation.”
And LesMis: "anyways"??? Really?
The theme we have seem occurring over and over in those threads is that the OP does not believe in personal responsibility or your right to own your various forms of speech.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Free expression should exist, but people justify inflicting consequences on speech because they don't like the content.
It's a justification for censorship by saying, "We don't have free speech".
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Everything cost something, nothing is really free, including your will.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert
The theme we have seem occurring over and over in those threads is that the OP does not believe in personal responsibility or your right to own your various forms of speech.
I believe in personal responsibility, and your strawmen and your dishonesty are common features of all your posts.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert
The theme we have seem occurring over and over in those threads is that the OP does not believe in personal responsibility or your right to own your various forms of speech.
I believe in personal responsibility, and your strawmen and your dishonesty are common features of all your posts.
You do not believe in consequences that stem from the act of free speech and you openly admit that people are not entitled to own any creation that comes from their freedom of expression.
That is on record and you admit it.
Not sure why you would be dishonest and resort to ad hom fallacies.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Well without free expression/speech, or at least the notion of such, our respective societies would be very differet places to exist i suppose.
The cost such can vary depending on circumstance, take for instance the fact that free speech protects the morronic racist buffoons of our world and there ideologies.
A necessary evil granted, but the cost is rather apparent, especially so in the information age in which we live.
originally posted by: tinymind
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Just judging from your posting, it would appear you have not spent much time in a elderly care facility. Many of these residents have come to that time in their lives when they have become totally free to speak their mind.
That aside; I have often heard it said that we have the right to freedom of speech but we do not have the right to not be offended.
In a free society, we do 'self censor" our speech and language in accordance with what is acceptable to others whom we encounter. An adult will often temper the words which they use in the presents of small children and women whom the are not familiar. Where as, when in the comfort and company of those in their own homes, they may speak in an all together different manner. This does not mean we no longer have the freedom of speech in these situations, simply that we are civilized enough to be aware of the sensitivities of others.
Now, as I stated before, we have the freedom of speech but not the freedom to not be offended. For when the "offended" party is allowed to take control of another's freedom to speak all people automatic lose this most basic of freedoms. The only recourse for someone who finds themselves in the presents of an offensive speaker is to remove themselves from the speaker's presents. All most any other action could be interpreted as an effort to censor that person's right to their own freedom of speech.
Have you ever hear the expression "So long as one man is a slave, then all men are slaves"? The same could be said for denying someone of their freedom of speech.