Man only fosters terminally ill children

A very special man, wife too, when my dad was in palliative care I thought of what the nurses(very kind and caring) went through..to some degree they become family too.

I was so humbled after reading this story. There are so few who give so much. Lessons for us all.

No one should think they are better than this loving, caring special man. Just a man-who gives all he can for others-as hard and painful as his life is. I am in awe. Wish I was strong and caring enough to see past my own needs, fears, and selfishness to be 1/10th of his strength and love.

Total admiration. These should be the most admired in place of movie stars and politicians who toot their own horn.

a reply to: vonclod

This really hit me too. This is pretty personal, but I remember the nurse calling me to tell me my Father died. Paraphrasing; "I went in to his room, he looked very peaceful, I'm sorry but he passed away." I asked her if she was OK. I knew what was going to happen, but this lady found him, then had to call his only child to tell him. My heart broke twice in seconds.

What a legend this man is, more people like him are needed in this world.

I have to say though and yes I'm in a mood but the next time some asshat comes into a thread and craps on about the religion of peace or some other dumb ass comment I will pull this thread out for a timely reminder that its not all black and white.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Gargoyle91

If you read the article in full, he only gets $1700 a month to care for her 24/7

rudeness.

originally posted by: Gargoyle91
a reply to: Domo1

Sadly I bet he makes more money doing it .

Must be an atheist, in it for the bucks.

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
The blokes got a big heart but I found the article incredibly depressing.

At the risk of sounding like a total asshat, why on earth would we not euthanise someone who is not only blind, deaf and paralyzed but also suffering from daily seizures???
What sort of life could she ever lead? who in their right mind believes that this 6 year old girl who can experience nothing but pain should suffer?

I do believe the hubby and wife have their hearts in the right place but society as a whole needs to look at whether its in the best interests of the girl and people like her to be kept alive or whether we are doing it so we can feel good about ourselves.

Id almost guarantee that if this poor little girl has cognizant thoughts it would be along the lines of "can you please make the suffering stop"

Ya never know where your actions will lead.

Is it for you or them?

A .22 to the forehead would relieve the suffering.

or a pillow.

Barb Bush held AIDS babies at a time when people thought you can get AIDS just from contact.

That poor little girl would love human contact before she passes on.

Who else will provide it?

Like DB said, I am small, too.

We have a rescue dog that is not all there.

Can't imagine a little one like that.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

That poor little girl would love human contact before she passes on

But thats the thing isnt it, we have no way of knowing what that poor little girl wants.
All we can do is project and assume she wants the same.

My heart is breaking just thinking what a cold, dark, fecked up world she must live in, can you imagine not being able to see, hear, or affect the world in any way? can you imagine having massive seizures on a daily basis? can you imagine the only positive in your life being the affection of a total stranger? I doubt very much that you can

After revisiting this thread Ive gone from depressed to mad, its a total failure on behalf of a politically correct, virtue signaling society that that this girl is alive. Weve let our sense of right and wrong be skewed so much that people reading this story find it heartwarming as opposed to heartbreaking.

I hope this girl passes quickly and painlessly

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

I doubt very much that you can

but can you to make the suggestion you have?

I hope this girl passes quickly and painlessly

Why hope for that when you can hope for a miracle instead?

After revisiting this thread Ive gone from depressed to mad, its a total failure on behalf of a politically correct, virtue signaling society that that this girl is alive. Weve let our sense of right and wrong be skewed so much that people reading this story find it heartwarming as opposed to heartbreaking.

I can see how you could hope for another to die quickly and quietly.


Stop saying "we" we have done no such thing.

You may have your view of right and wrong so skewed that you project it on the world around you.

I get its compassion you think you are having but you said this

But thats the thing isnt it, we have no way of knowing what that poor little girl wants. All we can do is project and assume she wants the same.

after hoping she dies quickly and painlessly.

So if we are projecting then I must be correct when I said its you that is with your comment about having a skewed view of right and wrong.

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

because people would abuse it to murder innocent people who still want to live, i'm disabled to a similar degree though with different issues but i've seen how we always get treated by medical professionals, you should never trust doctors or nurses to such an extent, most do not treat us human because we can't do anything about it, good medical people are rare just the same as in most of society good people are rare but we can't protect ourselves or speak out like normal people can from such people.

for people who can decide such things and aren't helpless it would be great, but people who are helpless without a voice it would be abused 90% of the time, mercy is wonderful but you have to think about the possible consequences, is it really worth innocent people dying so a few people can have mercy?

maybe it seems wrong to let people suffer but sometimes trying to be merciful can have unforeseen negative consequences, mercy without caution is just foolishness not mercy.

being helpless teaches you a lot about the true nature and thoughts of people, most people can't be trusted with making such decisions for others.

such a life might seem terrible to you but having such issues from birth is very different from suddenly having such issues after being healthy most your life, to us our disability feels normal and isn't some great misfortune to cry about or beg for mercy over. don't try making policy for others if you can't possibly understand their situation or thoughts, pushing moralism works both ways but the way it is in america is more about possible consequences than it is about morality or religion.

a reply to: Domo1

It takes a special kind of person to do that work.

I'll share a bit. I was able to spend time with my dad daily for the 4 wks he was there. The last day I was called in the morning and told he had slipped into a coma, and would likely pass in the next 24 hrs. I went right away, was there for a few hrs just holding his hand, I needed some air for a few minutes, went to grab a coffee. When I got back the nurse was in there with tears in her eyes, said he passed right after I left, I felt very guilty for having gone 20 mins but she said he planned it like that..who knows, maybe he did.
I'll never forget the nurses there, they were incredible ..I don't know how they do it.

Thanks for sharing.

a reply to: Domo1


I clicked your link and read the article, this is absolutely beautiful. God Bless this man.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Why hope for that when you can hope for a miracle instead?

Because I live in the real world and don’t see that many miracles.
I wonder how much unnecessary suffering has happened while people waited for miracles to happen?

a reply to: namehere

i'm disabled to a similar degree though with different issues

Mate I don’t mean to trivialise your issues but the very fact you are involved in this convo means your situation is nothing like hers, not even close.

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
a reply to: namehere

i'm disabled to a similar degree though with different issues

Mate I don’t mean to trivialise your issues but the very fact you are involved in this convo means your situation is nothing like hers, not even close.

The point is still made all the same.

For this girl to go from a regular, "fully functional" human existence to such disability would be one thing. You might have an argument. But for her to be born with it is an entirely different matter.

She still has a measurable existence, and is capable of enjoying it. And it's all she has ever known, so you can't say she is suffering any "loss", since she isn't aware of anything to be "lost".

You trivialize both her and the other poster (and take a hypocritical/fallacial position) when you make the argument that they don't know the person's experience, but yet you somehow know enough to make a decision about what's best for them like it's a judgement call only you're qualified to make.

That's a silly position, because I 100% guarantee you have no idea what it's like to be any other human being than yourself. If you have had any time being another person, and they can vouch for that, i would like to hear about it.

Are you aware of an afterlife? Can you guarantee one? If you can't, and there is only 1 known existence to be sure, who are you to deny anyone from feeling ANY kind of experience? And with your limited experience being a person other than yourself, how can you speak for them.

I don't mean to trivialize but I think any poster with a disability has more experience or ability to speak for a disabled person than someone who doesn't.

a reply to: johnnysixguns

If I could I would happily deny someone an existence that consisted of nothing but darkness, silence, immobility and daily seizures.

Yeah but I’m sure your all correct, this girl must be having a wonderful time inside her mind with absolutely zero understanding of any aspect of reality other than the touch of a well meaning stranger and constant seizures

Sometimes, rarely, in this life, you hear about some great good. This is it---the ultimate good yet the story reminds us of the suffering of our world.


Oh, would we somehow make a world where even great people like this don’t have to be

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
a reply to: johnnysixguns

If I could I would happily deny someone an existence that consisted of nothing but darkness, silence, immobility and daily seizures.

Yeah but I’m sure your all correct, this girl must be having a wonderful time inside her mind with absolutely zero understanding of any aspect of reality other than the touch of a well meaning stranger and constant seizures

I see nuance is not a strength of yours, and the point flew over your head.

If you're so sure no existence is better than any existence, what keeps you hanging around? Why not follow your own advice?

Would it be appropriate if someone with a "better" existence decided the right thing to do would be to end yours? Since yours could never compare to theirs?

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Because I live in the real world and don’t see that many miracles.

What does this even mean?

So because you only see a few miracle you would rather wish someone dead than a miracle?

Or

are you saying you don't see any when you say 'that many' and are suggesting people that do don't live in the real world?

What is the real world? I think you believe you have a grasp on what the real world is but that grasp is only holding a string coming off a jumper from a wardrobe full of clothes.

I wonder how much unnecessary suffering has happened while people waited for miracles to happen?

If people are waiting for miracles than the suffering experienced is necessary.


Great that you completely missed what I actually said, I was talking about hope and having a more positive outlook.

The real world uses these things to help people have hope, people don't wait for miracles, maybe the real world you think you live in is a dream.

and just to top off the delusion you live in, its not a dream after reading this below its delusion.

Yeah but I’m sure your all correct, this girl must be having a wonderful time inside her mind with absolutely zero understanding of any aspect of reality other than the touch of a well meaning stranger and constant seizures

No one suggested that this girl is having a wonderful time.

No one knows.


You are suggesting or wishing that she dies then you say that you don't know if she is suffering but only assuming she is.

But thats the thing isnt it, we have no way of knowing what that poor little girl wants. All we can do is project and assume she wants the same.

Others were assuming a hopeful scenario where the girl can feel the very least of humanity in which you replied with the above.

This was after you already said this

At the risk of sounding like a total asshat, why on earth would we not euthanise someone who is not only blind, deaf and paralyzed but also suffering from daily seizures??? What sort of life could she ever lead? who in their right mind believes that this 6 year old girl who can experience nothing but pain should suffer?

are you projecting and all you can feel is pain?

You said we can only assume and this was reply to a simple suggestion that is supported by reality that humans crave contact with other humans.

A person suffers when they don't interact and have contact with others.

Is this why you think she is constantly suffering?

You do know that pain and suffering will show up in certain tests done to people that cannot speak and interact to express what that want and how they feel.

If she was suffering like you think she is I think humans and doctors that directly interact with her would be able to tell.

I worked with a guy who had 4-6 disabled kids. He worked part-time, wife stayed home with them. I couldn't believe it. I met a couple of the kids, at one in a wheel chair, one with prosthetic limb, etc. They seemed happy and loved.

People who had worked with him for a couple of years said he got $20,000 per year, per kid. so 80-100k per year. They called it "foster farming." It seemed to me like the kids did well, were thriving. So otherwise than being a successful dad, it was just an unconventional way of earning a living.