Was There a Civilization On Earth Before Humans? article speculates, no evidence

www.theatlantic.com...

article about thought experiment on pre-Human civilization, no evidence, just wondering how to look

So, could researchers find clear evidence that an ancient species built a relatively short-lived industrial civilization long before our own? Perhaps, for example, some early mammal rose briefly to civilization building during the Paleocene epoch about 60 million years ago. There are fossils, of course. But the fraction of life that gets fossilized is always minuscule and varies a lot depending on time and habitat. It would be easy, therefore, to miss an industrial civilization that only lasted 100,000 years—which would be 500 times longer than our industrial civilization has made it so far.

Given that all direct evidence would be long gone after many millions of years, what kinds of evidence might then still exist? The best way to answer this question is to figure out what evidence we’d leave behind if human civilization collapsed at its current stage of development.

considering the effect time has on *everything* can't help but think if there were a previous society, we'd never know.

and of course something might be buried under the ice in Antarctica

Well, this planet does have the nasty tendency to occasionally completely refresh itself over time with asteroids, volcanoes, earthquakes and so on. I guess it depends on how somebody wants to define "advanced" or "industrial."

And of course, there's also the chance that the Lizard People gave everything a good scrubbing before they left or destroyed themselves or whatever they did.

a reply to: ElGoobero

This was on the radio yesterday.....

Imagine and ancient civilization.... that killed itself off with "Global Warming"

LOL

a reply to: infolurker

Now imagine an civilization that killed itself off with Nuclear Wars.

Oh wait. That's gonna be us.

originally posted by: vinifalou
a reply to: infolurker

Now imagine an civilization that killed itself off with Nuclear Wars.

Oh wait. That's gonna be us.

They will try.... but that is when Yashua returns.

Of course, 1/3 will be burnt up previously.

a reply to: ElGoobero

I can imagine that cut diamonds would remain, if the theoretical ancient civilization had value for diamond ornamentation. Other than that ... about everything would likely be recycled back through the lithosphere.

Diamonds are forever!

originally posted by: infolurker
They will try.... but that is when Yashua returns.
Of course, 1/3 will be burnt up previously.

Maybe that could be avoided if he showed up a little earlier.

I guess we would start looking at topographical elevations and their relation to tectonic movements. I would think there were area's better than others that could endure natural forces. Been a lot of movement though. They may not have necessarily been humanoid in the sense of homo sapiens or bipedal mammals. India or China might be your best bet to look.

Perhaps even Antarctica. A lot of effort to satisfy a curiosity though. We have become like a parasite on a host, and usually that ends in both perishing. In the end, we will have learned nothing beyond our savage tendencies to conquer and subjugate.

It's also better we don't pollute other planets, but I fear..... our tendencies lie elsewhere.

Perhaps even Australia.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: ElGoobero

This was on the radio yesterday.....

Imagine and ancient civilization.... that killed itself off with "Global Warming"

LOL

Ancient? a supposed post industrial, technological minded civilistion is doing it's best to do it so an ancient civ would have no chance. Unless you think "golbal warming"/climate change isn't real, if so LOL

originally posted by: Plotus
India or China might be your best bet to look.

You definitely want to look where there has been the least amount of destruction. Possibly the same places where we look for dinosaur bones. Someplace nice and geologically stable. A big chunk of Canada is apparently that way. So if you can find a stable place that was also used for cities and manufacturing, maybe you'll come up with some bits of evidence.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Why would he?

Humans would do that again. Give it a few years.

a reply to: ElGoobero

Well I think if an advanced civilisation were to be completely wiped off the face of the planet, all they would leave behind would be large granite buildings, built in such a perfectly alligned way to withstand millenia of earthquakes and weather and I would expect you to find this similar architecture and building style in other ancient sites around the world, implying the ability to freely communicate and share ideas across large distances...



This is Ancient Architects YT channel, he has lots of good stuff presented really well.

www.youtube.com...

No evidence? Sure there is, lots of it. Ancient Hindu stories tell of what seem to be atomic bombs being used against an ancient race of people here on Earth, as well as the resulting radiation poisoning of the survivors. There is also widespread evidence throughout the middle east of atomic weapons having glassed large swaths of the desert. By glassed, I mean the sand being literally blasted into glass, which happens when you detonate an atomic bomb over the desert.
Regardless of whether or not individual religions are legitimate, they often contain slivers of truth, and a common theme is the existence of ancient civilizations that had been wiped out before modern humans came to be.

“…a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as the thousand suns rose in all its splendor… a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds… …the cloud of smoke rising after its first explosion formed into expanding round circles like the opening of giant parasols… ..it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. …The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out. Pottery broke without apparent cause and the birds turned white. After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected… …to escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment.”

originally posted by: vinifalou
Why would he?

What is he, busy or something?

a reply to: trollz

That text does not actually exist where it is said to exist. Childress lied, you should stay away from him.

Note that in Childress the material has been rearranged, lines altered, words dropped, and ellipses added, as though Childress were presenting a scholarly excerpt from a longer text. But he is not. This text appears in this alleged "translation" nowhere before Morning of the Magicians, and certainly not in the false poetic form given here, or in the rearranged and misleading conflation presented here.

www.jasoncolavito.com...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: trollz
That text does not actually exist where it is said to exist. Childress lied.

Regardless, the depictions of the Vimanas and other such evidence do still exist.

a reply to: trollz

everything appears to mention the same destruction as a meteor, right down to the mention of iron.


However... Once it gets to this:

The hair and nails fell out. Pottery broke without apparent cause and the birds turned white. After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected… …to escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment.

That I don't really know if it can relate to the same. Is it possible that a meteor strike could cause these effects as well?

a reply to: ElGoobero

Well, if you mean before homo sapiens, then of course, the neanderthal for example was very advanced, just a bit different.


Then there are those who were around before matter locked in its current states, Matter was more "flexible" at one point
(this last part gurgled out of my stomach)

a reply to: trollz

Yeah. So do depictions of Helios pulling the Sun across the sky with his chariot drawn by flying horses.

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: trollz
That text does not actually exist where it is said to exist. Childress lied.

Regardless, the depictions of the Vimanas and other such evidence do still exist.

Thanks for the info Phage.


Trollz,

which evidence?