Hollywood's gay double standard

a reply to: ketsuko

you cant just identify with them because they are A: Homo Sapiens , B: are emotional human beings just like yourself ?

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Two men kissing gives me the creeps. Sorry, it's the truth. I have no ill will toward them, I just don't want to see it.

I'm gay, and this sentiment among a lot of straight guys used to bum me out. BUT, I've since realized that seeing women have a..uh..certain fluid on their face or mouth gives me the same reaction, very "Ugh, no, why is she doing that? I don't want to see that!" Witnessing certain sexual things outside of the parameters of one's own sexuality can be uncomfortable, that's just how it is.

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: fiverx313

Interesting.
My wife doesn't care for that.

survey (of internet fanfiction) says that your wife excepted, a healthy number of ladies are for it

OK, slight topic creep, but let's talk about that double standard for a moment... Fifty Shades of Gray flies off shelves and sells movie tickets like hotcakes to a crowd consisting mostly of millions of American females. The overarching theme of the series is the objectification and borderline forcible sexualization/molestation of a young woman by a wealthy, arrogant, self aggrandized older male. But Ho-lee Snip, many of those same females who lined up to read and watch that tomfoolery are the same ones who flipped their wigs over a hot mic comment in which a billionaire basically confirmed 50 Shades happens in real life to some females, they go all waggy-headed in outrage over "objectification" of women in theaters such as cheerleading, men's magazines, etc, and need I even bring up the premise behind the #MeToo movement's accusations? There's a double standard... Hollywood gays have nothing, NOTHING on society's Harlequinn Romance buyers and middle aged "Mommy porn" fans.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

The difference there is the alleged misdeeds of Trump and Weinstein et al lacked consent. Fantasy requires mutual consent although there's obviously going to be '50 shades of gray' in the retelling.

a reply to: Kandinsky

The objectification is seemingly just as consentual, yet we see the same outcries over it. I'm not giving the duplicitous a pass on this, man. Me thinks the women doth protest a bit too much at times.

ETA: Weinstein and Trump were consentual (at least according to most accounts), the part in question is the concept of "pressured" or "manipulated"... now, I defy you or anyone to tell me there is a difference between a billionare movie producer playing the casting couch games and many of the narratives we see in stuff like 50 Shades where, per my understanding, a billionare used his money to coerce a young woman into fulfilling his twisted sexual desires. "Consent" in those books was "you either do this, or you are fired." Hmmm... The only difference between that and Weinstein was that Weinstein wasn't a physical specimen Frankensteined together from some horny housewife's imagination.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

It's all degrees so there are some creeps (billionaires or otherwise) who don't give two craps for consent and go the Harvey route. There'll be some cases where consent was murky or implied and those are open to 20/20 hindsight and '50 shades.'

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: fiverx313

Interesting.
My wife doesn't care for that.

survey (of internet fanfiction) says that your wife excepted, a healthy number of ladies are for it

OK, slight topic creep, but let's talk about that double standard for a moment... Fifty Shades of Gray flies off shelves and sells movie tickets like hotcakes to a crowd consisting mostly of millions of American females. The overarching theme of the series is the objectification and borderline forcible sexualization/molestation of a young woman by a wealthy, arrogant, self aggrandized older male. But Ho-lee Snip, many of those same females who lined up to read and watch that tomfoolery are the same ones who flipped their wigs over a hot mic comment in which a billionaire basically confirmed 50 Shades happens in real life to some females, they go all waggy-headed in outrage over "objectification" of women in theaters such as cheerleading, men's magazines, etc, and need I even bring up the premise behind the #MeToo movement's accusations? There's a double standard... Hollywood gays have nothing, NOTHING on society's Harlequinn Romance buyers and middle aged "Mommy porn" fans.

holy #...
did we just agree on something???

im with you on this man.

here is something you may not know.

she started out writing twilight(the vampire movies/books) fan fiction.
her name was snowqueens ice dragon and it was called master of the universe.
THAT was the basis for fifty shades

but more on what you said.....that fan fiction # is some CRAZY # dude....

all these chicks. middle aged. cougars and such writing fan fiction about movies like twilight or whatever and it is basically all about them just getting #ing railed.....

funny how it works. she self published that erotic # and sold a billion copies.

i self published my book and sold 14 copies.
hahahahahah

but mine is about a person that descends into killing something.
maybe i should have had him get railed and i would have got paid

HOLLA!!!!!

i think burdman raises an interesting point, but i think it also requires a serious amount of context in what expressions of sexuality have been allowed for women throughout history, and the progression of romance and women's fiction. there's a number of good articles about it out there, but to begin with, consider the virgin/slut duality that continues to haunt women even today... in many cases it's difficult for a woman to express a positive attitude towards sexuality without being labeled as a deviant or a slut. and that being the case today, it was much more pronounced in the past. is it any wonder that women's fiction has shown a tendency towards dubious consent, towards the protagonist having to be convinced, having to give in? it allows women to romanticize and acknowledge their desires without being judged for it.

there's a fair mile or two of difference between enjoying kinky fiction and some gross old creep groping you because he feels he can.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: fiverx313

Interesting.
My wife doesn't care for that.

survey (of internet fanfiction) says that your wife excepted, a healthy number of ladies are for it

OK, slight topic creep, but let's talk about that double standard for a moment... Fifty Shades of Gray flies off shelves and sells movie tickets like hotcakes to a crowd consisting mostly of millions of American females. The overarching theme of the series is the objectification and borderline forcible sexualization/molestation of a young woman by a wealthy, arrogant, self aggrandized older male. But Ho-lee Snip, many of those same females who lined up to read and watch that tomfoolery are the same ones who flipped their wigs over a hot mic comment in which a billionaire basically confirmed 50 Shades happens in real life to some females, they go all waggy-headed in outrage over "objectification" of women in theaters such as cheerleading, men's magazines, etc, and need I even bring up the premise behind the #MeToo movement's accusations? There's a double standard... Hollywood gays have nothing, NOTHING on society's Harlequinn Romance buyers and middle aged "Mommy porn" fans.

Let me put this in to terms that, while being uncomfortable to stomach, should make more sense.

Many women (around half, statistically) are into straight-up rape fantasy as a major turn-on, too. That does not mean they support actually raping people in real life. THAT is the distinction between Trump's pawing forcefulness, and 50 Shades -- one is a willful fantasy, the other is a violation, a lacking of a willful partner.

Make sense now?

a reply to: Nyiah

Actually one was a dude shooting his mouth off to another dude, in absence of any evidence he'd actually grabbed anyone against their will... so no, I don't see any difference between two examples of *words* I do see some women wanting to have their cake and eat it too. This "woman's prerogative" to be aloof and inconsistent is bullsnip, always has been. I have spoken to women who agree with me on this point, so I'm pretty confident I'm not telling stories outside of school on this matter.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

you really don't see a difference between 'i like to do this' and 'i like to think about this'?

originally posted by: fiverx313
a reply to: burdman30ott6

you really don't see a difference between 'i like to do this' and 'i like to think about this'?

Evidently not. He admitted he cannot distinguish between them. While we're using the word "willful" tonight, that's some willful ignorance ponied up.