Mainstream Media Labels Pedophilia Sex-Trafficking a Conspiracy Theory. Are They Involved?.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Mclaneinc

For reasons both economic and legal, the media can only report stories that are true and verifiable. QAnon is not constrained in this way. Since there are no oficial statistics about human trafficking arrests for 2017, the graph in the OP is completely bogus. QAnon is a [HOAX!], as has been demonstrated countless times.

Alt-right trolls are doing a great disservice by making false claims about human trafficking. By floating hoax after hoax, they are creating the impression that the entire thing is a hoax. This only serves as a smoke screen for the real criminals. Remember the "Satanic child abuse" panic of the '80's? It almost makes one think that #pizzagate and QAnon were created by pedophile rings as a diversionary tactic.

Continue this dancing on a pin to not call that spade a spade. It is helping us decide what is, is. Some already know and some don't want to know. I suspect you know but those comments force me to reconsider.

Know what? Please be as specific as I was.

Dancing on the pin is your way of not admitting the facts and it allows you to pretend it isn't so. But the sharp point is still there pushing back.

Projecting for all things left is not a good thing. We all need to try to move to the center and think what it looks like in both directions. Then one might be able to see what we see and how we understand it so differently.

I would not want an R any more than any D in a public office if it was true they were criminals on the job like some of our elected and unelected officials have been acting. Guilty while doing the work of a three letter agency should mean dismissal and possible criminal charges.

a reply to: fiverx313

Whole lotta' nope right there mate. You can't fight your own battles. Your wording was pretty clear and as far as the other posters were concerned I managed them quite easily.

a reply to: Outlier13

You didn't handle anything. It was just clear that you refuse to think about what was actually written.

originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: fiverx313

Whole lotta' nope right there mate. You can't fight your own battles. Your wording was pretty clear and as far as the other posters were concerned I managed them quite easily.

sure champ, you're a real killer diller. knocked them out of the park. you're the rocky marciano of self-owning.

a reply to: fiverx313

He totally burned you with "you can't fight your own battles".

Maybe we should dive right into the "yo mama" insults.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: fiverx313

He totally burned you with "you can't fight your own battles".

Maybe we should dive right into the "yo mama" insults.

well i mean he's got me... by the rules of internet combat, every time someone deliberately misconstrues what you say, you are obligated to explain to them in excruciating detail where they've misunderstood...

...so they can stick their fingers in their ears and shout NUH UH CANT HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA LA LA....

...and do another victory lap.

i mean, i OWE him. i've failed at internet and therefore at life as well.

a reply to: fiverx313

Well then feel free to defend what you wrote which I have quoted below from your post on the 1st page.

"cite and prove that those statistics have not been massaged."
You are the one making the challenge therefore you need to provide evidence

"prove that anything trump has done has actually caused any of these changes, once you prove they actually exist."
Again the burden of proof is on you to disprove this. Maybe you should acclimate yourself with his very public speech on human trafficking, his EO, and his appointed task force.

"until then, yes, it is a fringe right-wing conspiracy theory."
Your inference is clear here. That the human trafficking problems which exist are a fringe right wing conspiracy. The OP is pretty straight forward. It is about the MSM ignoring the things Trump has done to combat human trafficking. You are claiming Trump has done nothing. You are claiming there are no statistics to actually back anything Trump has done to combat human trafficking and are therefore claiming human trafficking is a fringe right wing conspiracy. It's in your composition so please feel free to continue talking out of your ass. If you want to come back and say that's not what you meant then perhaps you should spend some time on your composition next time.

a reply to: fiverx313

Oh no, look above it is on!

a reply to: Justoneman

I agree, but I'm not sure what this has to do with the QAnon [HOAX!]. The claims in the OP are completely bogus. There are no official crime figures for 2017 yet. Period.

a reply to: Outlier13

Your inference is clear here. That the human trafficking problems which exist are a fringe right wing conspiracy. The OP is pretty straight forward. It is about the MSM ignoring the things Trump has done to combat human trafficking. You are claiming Trump has done nothing. You are claiming there are no statistics to actually back anything Trump has done to combat human trafficking and are therefore claiming human trafficking is a fringe right wing conspiracy.

There are no statistics that support the claim in the OP. Here is the most recent thing I can find:

ucr.fbi.gov...

If you can find more recent government figures, by all means link to them. The press are reporting everything Trump has done to suppress human trafficking because he has done nothing. Has he issued any Executive Orders? Signed any new legislation? No. What has the DOJ's big initiative been? Busting potheads, hardly an assault on human trafficking.

Human trafficking is real. It is not the same as pedophilia. There are sweatshops filled with undocumented workers who are kept against their will. I don't see an outcry about that. There are teenage runaways being kept as sex slaves, mostly in cities but in rural areas as well. Are you reporting the girls hanging out at the bowling alley to your local police? Yes, there is a trade in children for pedophiles, some of whom might even stop by your local tavern for a drink.

On the other hand, #pizzagate was a transparent [HOAX!]. Pedophilia is not a right wing conspiracy theory, it is a right wing fantasy. Think about that.

a reply to: Outlier13

oh no, please no more... i know when i've been bested.

you're just too much man for me!

You're not looking very hard are you?

a reply to: CB328

a reply to: DJW001

I appreciate the well thought out response. This is how one should respond to open a discussion. FiverX could learn from you.

The premise of the OP is the MSM is avoiding discussing what Trump has done to combat human trafficking. I'm not disputing statistics as I believe any statistic from any side of the isle is to some degree padded to make their case look stronger. It is politics after all.

I am disputing various posters who outright claim Trump has done nothing to combat human trafficking and that is simply a false statement. One of Trump's main platform issues has always been to combat human trafficking and he has held to that promise.

Trump EO Issued on Feb 9, 2017
www.whitehouse.gov... ting-international-trafficking/


Trump Press Conference from Feb 23, 2017 on Human Trafficking

originally posted by: Outlier13
So back to the human trafficking topic. Let's assume the figures are off by 10% (this is purely being used as an example and could be less or more)

And I could assume that the figures are off by 100% but what's the point in guessing when we can just agree that there are no reliable figures? Then we won't have to argue about it anymore. But you make it sound like it doesn't matter to you how accurate the figures are. That explains a lot, actually. I do care, but I only control what I do, not what any of you others do

originally posted by: Outlier13
The premise of the OP is the MSM is avoiding discussing what Trump has done to combat human trafficking. I'm not disputing statistics as I believe any statistic from any side of the isle is to some degree padded to make their case look stronger. It is politics after all.

I believe you when you say you aren't disputing the statistics. But other people did. However, I don't know if you can say they're padded? That makes it sound like someone had access to accurate data, but then presents it in a misleading way. But in this case there was a mismatch of data; it's not even comparing apples to oranges, more like comparing applesauce to oranges, because 2010-2016 was yearly total arrests by a specific agency, whereas 2017 appears to be based on a haphazard list of articles from around the internet (and if it's not based on that list, then we just simply have no clue at all where the data came from).

So at the least we have potential overlap of figures from various articles, and also the data is incomplete because whoever made the graph obviously didn't comb through the whole MSM internet for figures, they just added numbers on both sides until Trump's lead was big enough. Plus, like I said earlier, we can see just by looking at three of those internet articles that at least almost half of the tally for 2018 was "padding".

So, when you use 10% as an example, I assume you mean 10% of the remaining 50% after we discount the first 2900 or so arrests that where wrongfully included. That would mean 55% off from the original then, in your example; but I guess that's fine, because it's "purely being used as an example and could be less or more" — phew, that makes it a lot simpler!

originally posted by: Outlier13
I am disputing various posters who outright claim Trump has done nothing to combat human trafficking and that is simply a false statement. One of Trump's main platform issues has always been to combat human trafficking and he has held to that promise.

Your video is just Trump saying what he wants to do, and the executive order is pretty vague so it's hard to say if it worked or not. I'm not saying Trump hasn't done anything to stop trafficking, we just don't know yet how much he's accomplished or not.

I guess Barr's "conspiracy" here is the claim that Trump has freed many children from pimps. Roseanne Barr may believe this because she has read about it on twitter, but there's no proof. And keep in mind that OP claimed that those statistics were "actual", unlike posters in these last couple pages of the thread at least. I think many users wanted to challenge that claim. But her tweet of course references this wider conspiracy about how Trump is fighting a quiet war with silent weapons, and it goes back to pizzagate and even further back, before Trump even.

When I first commented in this thread some people were accusing others of denying human trafficking, as a right-wing conspiracy. I thought that got cleared up, but I guess not. I think it started with one user sarcastically making that statement, but then other people began to actually believe in it. So... the belief that people don't believe in trafficking is actually a right-wing conspiracy theory from the internet. I think I've come full circle now.

a reply to: M5xaz

I don't think the picture will help, because both can be true; pizzagate can be be a hoax even if a rapist was freed. What's the connection anyway? He was just some factory worker, he just got lucky I guess (no horrible rape pun intended).