A Russian flying saucer concept

Now here is something I didn't expect to run into.

The October 1991 issue of a russian equavalent of Popular Mechanics has this beautiful cover art.



The corresponding article is supposedly written by a postgrad (candidate of engineering sciences). It describes his own take on UFOs and interstellar travel. He dismisses Einsteins work by being based on postulates and claims to have developed and published a theory of Aetherdynamics which is the real deal.

He proposes that his aether can be an unlimited source of energy making interstellar travel a real possibility. The energy is supposed to come from aether vortices, using tornados as an analogy. He claims that ball lighting is a form of aether vortices (and a way to extract energy out of it?).

As a further step he proposes to use aether vortices directly for propulsion, describing what looks like an aether ramjet with an inlet creating aether vortices and a combustion/annihilation chamber where counter-rotating vortices react explosively. The exploding aether propels the spacecraft by passing through it, dragging it along, and reaching FTL speeds. Unfortunately there is no mention about how the vortices are created and channeled and why they would react so violently.

He suggests that the aether craft could be saucer shaped. Even though there is really no technical reason for it to be. But it certainly makes for a really beautiful cover picture.

Wild stuff.

He is chatting nonsense. There is no interstellar traval. There is no such a thing untill that silly movie being released. Now everyone using that words..

Ps.. i think, Best way to get unlimited energy is rubbing two cats.

originally posted by: Pandaram
He is chatting nonsense. There is no interstellar traval. There is no such a thing untill that silly movie being released. Now everyone using that words..

Ps.. i think, Best way to get unlimited energy is rubbing two cats.

If you say so then it must be true.

a reply to: moebius

I don't get it.

Even if classical aether did exist, in the definition of a medium for electromagnetic waves, what makes him think that this medium will enable crafts to reach FTL speeds?

Zero point energy is confirmed to exist, and even that can't do the trick.

To get workable energy you need potential difference. By definition aether would permeate space itself, it'd be everywhere. Now it's pretty hard to get potential difference between two things that have the same properties.

It'd be like wiring a lightbulb's lead to a positive, and wire its ground to yet another positive. You'd get no net current.

a reply to: swanne

When you pressurise and vortex mercury it creates a superconducting plasma and a very highly charged electromagnetic field called a Magnetic Field Disruptor, this would create an EM vortex around the craft reducing the mass.

I went ahead and translated the article (Are interstellar flights possible from Tehnika Molodeji) in google translate and added an additional paper from the same author in which he describes in more depth his theory. (Where does the ether wind blow).

wetransfer.com...

Are interstellar flights possible.pdf
Where does the ether wind blow.pdf

a reply to: TheMadTitan

Why would it reduce the mass?

The mass of light might be zero, but the mass of the device emitting the EM does not diminish. In fact, it by definition loses exactly zero mass.

originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: moebius
What makes him think that this medium will enable crafts to reach FTL speeds?

If your speed is constrained by the medium, then by manipulating it you might go faster than the speed within the medium.
e.g. change its density.

OP do you have a link?

a reply to: Dr X

see my post, I added the original article in the pdf files

a reply to: swanne

This appears to be using pre Michelson Morley physics before they discovered that times square in the mass equation.
The clocks in that experiment were about as accurate as something out of the pit and the pendulum but it was enough to verify the basic equation.
The cover illustration looks like a redundantly lit sewer aquaduct suffering from red shift?
I've sworn off coffee or i'd have more interest in reverse engineering the craft, You?

originally posted by: Dr X

If your speed is constrained by the medium, then by manipulating it you might go faster than the speed within the medium.

Yes, of the medium. But of light?

a reply to: Cauliflower

Yeah, I'm good for today, thank you.

Nice one, OP.
I am a long time admirer of Russian design and art and the Sc-Fi style cover looks good!

Nice one, OP.
I am a long time admirer of Russian design and art and the Sc-Fi style cover looks good!

a reply to: swanne

He dismisses the speed of light as a general limitation, cites Laplace estimation from 1805 about the speed of gravitational interactions happening 10^6 times the speed of light for example.

Apparently if there are aether vortices, you would have potential differences to extract energy from. Although it is unclear to me how that would happen and what is causing this vortices.

a reply to: moebius

Huh?! I wasn't aware of this statement from Laplace?

Though today we know that gravity travels at the speed of light, it's still historically very interesting.

russian ufology is full of hidden goodies

a reply to: swanne

His aether idea is just built on foundations from ideas that more or less started up when philosophers started to look at logic in a mathematical way.

Your positive-positive no net charge idea is a notion of behavior within observable space-time.

Depending on which side of the fence you sit on, when it comes to Bell's Theorem is an easier way to credit or discredit these types of ideas.

His aether matches Tegmark-esque descriptions of approximations of energy and forces in n+1 dimensions that can't be directly predicted from n dimensions.

It's likely his ideas are attempting to utilize an axial plane outside of space-time to generate some force inside of space-time.

Ultimately, research into the behavior of gravity, has led many current physicists and researchers to explore the possibility that this type of idea is at the source of gravity's one directional movement in space-time.

(One directional in space-time, being that gravity starts it's life as an attractive force, and remains so, throughout space-time. We do not have direct evidence of gravity acting as a repelling force, and if it does... We definitely can't observe that directly as of right now.)

In a convoluted way, that kid was just suggesting direct gravity manipulation, with no mechanism to actually change gravitational fields.

If Einstein HAD actually finished UFT then this kid's "aether" would be something we were already using.

Given that we have yet to actually prove that there is any possibility that something from n dimensions can manipulate something in n+1 which can then echo back and alter something else in n dimensions. (Bell's theorem exists because we have yet to bump something 4th dimensional, have it come back to 3d space, and/or alter 3d space while it's in the 4th dimension.

Really, gravity, time travel, etc... one way or another it all ends up with the question - Can we get out of n dimensions? Can we leave space-time somehow? Can we bend light speed? Can we ____ ?

We've been trying with modern technology for decades... If we can do any of that stuff... Well... For the most part, I sure don't know about it.

Equal and opposite reactions applies within our observable system... Who knows how stuff acts in between dimensional change overs...

10 joules of 4th dimensional force when scaled into space-time might be enough energy to destroy the universe for all we really know about that subject right now. Luckily, we're so far away from developments like that, I can sleep easy knowing that Donald Trump, Petrol Wars, Nuclear Explosives, and a healthy intake of carcinogens will kill me, long before I have to worry about physicists doing it by bringing an interdimensional stowaway from n+1 back into space-time.

So many interesting stuff 'over there'. FTL is impossible. but changing a constant ? well why exactly is it a constant ? I mean light. Why 299729.458 ? Declare something a constant and stop thinking.
Constants are the Gods of the pantheon of science.lol be warned Russia is teleporting monkeys into space right now. So if it starts raining monkeys blame the Russian's

originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: swanne

He dismisses the speed of light as a general limitation, cites Laplace estimation from 1805 about the speed of gravitational interactions happening 10^6 times the speed of light for example.

Apparently if there are aether vortices, you would have potential differences to extract energy from. Although it is unclear to me how that would happen and what is causing this vortices.

It has been shown that while sailing and tacking into the wind, small vortices are generated along the trailing edges of the sail. I am not technically adept enough to know exactly how they impact the motion of a ship, but I have always thought it interesting. This may, or may not, have a corresponding relationship with drawing energy from a medium while passing through it.