Eye Opener - United States Ranks 31st In Gun Deaths. Not Great but Not The Worst.

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: carewemust

Instead, as the chart at the link indicates, the United States is more like IRAQ and THAILAND, when it comes to the number of murders by gun.

If you take out all the murders committed by the Muslim separatist in the deep south of Thailand..... Thailand would rank considerable better..

Yes... gun-murders are rarely spread evenly across a country's population. In the USA, get rid of gang-related murders, and our statistics would look significantly better too.

a reply to: Liquesence

It would mark a significant improvement, if all we had were the mass shootings.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: neo96

Yes..as a nation, America is violent...knives, fists, hammers, etc.. There's something about the human (?) that makes us scream when 20 people die at once, vs. a few a week. Fifty Seven U.S. children are murdered by guns in this country every single week. But no cries for action until a certain threshold (maybe 10?) is reached in a mass-shooting.

19 people were mashed by a double decker bus, at a stop here last week.

Looked like a bomb went off at the stop.

Flipped the bus too.

www.scmp.com...


Lots of these drivers need psych evals.

I ride them all the time.

One mofo mini bus driver killed a little girl when he closed the door on her back pack and dragged her through traffic despite people screaming for him to stop.

I would have killed him if I was on that bus (mini bus 18 seats)

How? Pure anger and rage.

Picture that poor kid.

Don't need no steekin' guns to kill people.



Works both ways.

originally posted by: aethertek

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: aethertek
I see so you think poor destitute immigrants are the cause of the problem?

Too many poor is that your argument?

K~

Money has nothing to do with what I posted. Culture, however, does. You can't mix barn cats and house cats together and expect things to go well. The US "melting pot" experiment is a roaring success only if you look at the good stuff, if you look at the whole picture, you see cultural dissonance rear it's head and start to realize that a lot of bad stuff has accompanied the experiment. I'm not saying that the bad has outweighed the good (not saying it hasn't, either) but it certainly seems like situations in which that cultural dissonance revolves around differing values and grossly different social development stages, bad things happen.

This has been a multi cultural multi racial society since its inception so what would be different now.

K~

So you would marry someone that has nothing in common with you and expect a happy marriage?

originally posted by: aethertek

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: aethertek
I see so you think poor destitute immigrants are the cause of the problem?

Too many poor is that your argument?

K~

Money has nothing to do with what I posted. Culture, however, does. You can't mix barn cats and house cats together and expect things to go well. The US "melting pot" experiment is a roaring success only if you look at the good stuff, if you look at the whole picture, you see cultural dissonance rear it's head and start to realize that a lot of bad stuff has accompanied the experiment. I'm not saying that the bad has outweighed the good (not saying it hasn't, either) but it certainly seems like situations in which that cultural dissonance revolves around differing values and grossly different social development stages, bad things happen.

This has been a multi cultural multi racial society since its inception so what would be different now.

K~

Not a damn thing. America has always been violent. In fact, the number of murders in America has been steadily going down since the 80s. We ran twice as high a murder rate nationwide 30 years ago as we see now. The last time we were this low was the 1960s. 1965 the US overhauled the immigration system for the first time in many decades, opening the door to many, many more immigrants from the 97 countries with higher murder rates than the USA. Prior to that, the majority of immigrants allowed into the US came from the developed world. That was largely responsible for the spike in murders from the mid 69s to the 90s.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: aethertek
I see so you think poor destitute immigrants are the cause of the problem?

Too many poor is that your argument?

K~

Money has nothing to do with what I posted. Culture, however, does. You can't mix barn cats and house cats together and expect things to go well. The US "melting pot" experiment is a roaring success only if you look at the good stuff, if you look at the whole picture, you see cultural dissonance rear it's head and start to realize that a lot of bad stuff has accompanied the experiment. I'm not saying that the bad has outweighed the good (not saying it hasn't, either) but it certainly seems like situations in which that cultural dissonance revolves around differing values and grossly different social development stages, bad things happen.

Spoiler alert! Might be too hi brow for some.

Culture is central to everything peaceful.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Your claim was the problem to be "multiculturalism" now you're claiming historical precedence?

So which is it multiculturalism or historically violent?

K~

originally posted by: pavil
I'd actually like to see the number of guns deaths in poor areas vs the overall. I have a feeling they stand out like sore, deadly thumbs.

RE: www.theguardian.com...
Says that "Inequality" areas have significantly higher murder rates.

-and-

Here's a state-by-state breakdown by RACE.
www.kff.org...:%22Location%22,%22sort%22: %22asc%22%7D

originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Your claim was the problem to be "multiculturalism" now you're claiming historical precedence?

So which is it multiculturalism or historically violent?

K~

We've been historically multicultural as well, so it's been a problem for quite some time. As soon as the country finds a happy balance with crime being low, a period of prosperity opens and that has always lead to DC calling for "more immigrants ASAP" which starts the cycle all over from the ground up.

originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Your claim was the problem to be "multiculturalism" now you're claiming historical precedence?

So which is it multiculturalism or historically violent?

K~

What do you think, that is more important than what he thinks.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

That was horrific. Reminds me of the 12 dead people I saw on a street in Quintana Roo last month, after their bus driver lost control.

I think more people are murdered due to (human or mechanical) negligence, than mass-shootings.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: aethertek

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: aethertek
I see so you think poor destitute immigrants are the cause of the problem?

Too many poor is that your argument?

K~

Money has nothing to do with what I posted. Culture, however, does. You can't mix barn cats and house cats together and expect things to go well. The US "melting pot" experiment is a roaring success only if you look at the good stuff, if you look at the whole picture, you see cultural dissonance rear it's head and start to realize that a lot of bad stuff has accompanied the experiment. I'm not saying that the bad has outweighed the good (not saying it hasn't, either) but it certainly seems like situations in which that cultural dissonance revolves around differing values and grossly different social development stages, bad things happen.

This has been a multi cultural multi racial society since its inception so what would be different now.

K~

Not a damn thing. America has always been violent. In fact, the number of murders in America has been steadily going down since the 80s. We ran twice as high a murder rate nationwide 30 years ago as we see now. The last time we were this low was the 1960s. 1965 the US overhauled the immigration system for the first time in many decades, opening the door to many, many more immigrants from the 97 countries with higher murder rates than the USA. Prior to that, the majority of immigrants allowed into the US came from the developed world. That was largely responsible for the spike in murders from the mid 69s to the 90s.

Good knowledge/statistics in compact format. Appreciated!

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Meh, now you're all over the place, back your claims with some numbers showing the correlation between crime figure & the variables associated with immigration.

K~

IMO. I think social media is to blame. Maybe not completely, but partially.

originally posted by: Ursushorribilis
IMO. I think social media is to blame. Maybe not completely, but partially.

The Internet in general enables quicker communications, which can be good, or bad.

Check this out.. A solicitation for people who are willing to be paid $75 to $100 to Protest Guns on 3.14.2018.

Link: twitter.com...

Maybe the RUSSIANS are behind it?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: aethertek
I see so you think poor destitute immigrants are the cause of the problem?

Too many poor is that your argument?

K~

Money has nothing to do with what I posted. Culture, however, does. You can't mix barn cats and house cats together and expect things to go well. The US "melting pot" experiment is a roaring success only if you look at the good stuff, if you look at the whole picture, you see cultural dissonance rear it's head and start to realize that a lot of bad stuff has accompanied the experiment. I'm not saying that the bad has outweighed the good (not saying it hasn't, either) but it certainly seems like situations in which that cultural dissonance revolves around differing values and grossly different social development stages, bad things happen.

I dunno I live in a 'cultural melting pot' and there doesn't seem to be much racist violence or even much racism here. All these problems about minorities and stuff in America make no sense to me. There are probably at least 10 different ethnicities in 20 square km radius around my house...yet I don't wake up everyday worried about getting robbed, shot or murdered. I don't think that's the problem there.

a reply to: carewemust

Well what is your conclusion on the difference between the U.S. and Canada.?, mine would be quick and easy access vs fairly reasonable(to us) regulation.
I agree we are close economically, we have about the same #s of mental illness, and about the same #s of people on anti depressants..a bit of a difference on access to care.

I don't know how you fix it..no one is giving up the guns.

a reply to: vonclod

I'm unfamiliar with Canada's laws. Can you break down the difference between canada and the U.S., with regard to the extra steps or restrictions that canada has?

We'd do far better with education reform, common sense economics, and better healthcare than gun control.

a reply to: GeechQuestInfo


That's just what I was thinking.

Do we get a trophy?

Embarassing and pathetic.