Mandela Effect - South America Now Even Closer To Africa

originally posted by: CreationBro
a reply to: Pearj
[..] a lot of the hard core M.E. people that are utterly certain of themselves being dimensional travelers because some book is spelled differently [..] Its kind of insulting to actual travelers [..]

Huh?

What 'Effected' person said with "utter certainty" that they were "dimensional travelers"?

I've heard 'Effected' people explore causes.. God, CERN, dimensions, a natural occurrence we've yet to understand, shifting consciousness, mass extension, 2012, etc..

..But I've never heard a single 'Effected' person state they are certain of the cause - and I follow the subject closely (I assume you don't based on your statement).

Wouldn't it be more accurate to state you'd really like some ME'er to state with certainty that they're dimensional travelers so you can more easily dismiss the phenomena?

In fact, the only times I've read this type of statement is here on ATS by unaffected folks - and I bet it won't be the last.

a reply to: Pearj

Actually you have insisted on "utter certainty" in every single thread on ME that you've ever created here on ATS.

You do it every time.

Because every single time you insist that you are right, and that every one else is wrong. That you must have traveled or things have somehow changed, and that it could never.....never.....EVER be your memory being wrong.

So yes: you have done this.

originally posted by: TerminalVelocity
a reply to: Pearj

Actually you have insisted on "utter certainty" in every single thread on ME that you've ever created here on ATS.

You do it every time.

Because every single time you insist that you are right, and that every one else is wrong. That you must have traveled or things have somehow changed, and that it could never.....never.....EVER be your memory being wrong.

Nope..

..and you know it. We've done this dance before - and every time I explain to you the same things.

Let me be clear:

* I am utterly 100% certain the Mandela Effect is real.

* I have never stated 'your wrong', in fact I've stated reality is what we see today.

* I have never claimed to be an expert on any one subject, though I've claimed to be very familiar with a few.

* I have never said memory is not fallible.

* I have explained how memory is related to learning, and how learning is a precursor to knowledge (with sources). Do you look at a map on your way to work, or do you 'know' (remember) how to get there. Would you say you're very familiar with the path?



The bottom line simple:

You're confident SA has not moved because you're relating what you know (maps you've seen over the course of your life) to what you see (the map you see in current search results).

I'm confident SA has moved because I'm relating what I know (maps I've seen over the course of my life) to what I see (the map I see in current search results).

They are both equal sans experience. If you negate my experience, then you negate yours and we arrive at 0.


I'd put this info at the bottom of all my threads - to head off the same arguments and focus the conversation on the topic in the OP - but ATS calls this "gate keeping" and removes the text...

...So I have to rely on you to post the same thing in all my threads so I can reply to it and refute it. It also bumps the thread, increasing exposure which is nice.

I encourage all to have a look at every Mandela Effect thread I've ever made.

Was it reese or reese's?

a reply to: anotherside

Are you speaking of the candy?

If so, do you mean Reeses vs Reese's?

I don't have a sweet tooth, so I wouldn't say I'm 100% but I think it had the apostrophe.

Wife says she isn't sure but thinks no apostrophe, and that there are some in the cabinet. lol

Sorry, not much help. What was it for you?

a reply to: Pearj

Good to see you back.

As one who is "effected" yet doesn't believe in things actually changing I've only got one question which I've asked a few times without being answered. I think it's important and could help you understand the Mandela Effect a little better...

When did you change your name from PearlJ to PearJ?

a reply to: Pearj

Confidence that your subjective impression of events is more reliable than other people's is fine, but subjective impressions are trumped by objective verification. See my post showing a 120 year old map that proves the claim in the OP is wrong.

I think its all just a big PSYOP
so we will belive any and all propaganda they feed us.

they now tell us the hart in over
the spine or just to the right of centre.
I can feed it pound some time on the Right!

I wounder what the drugs are in? the water?
I use a 1 micron water filter and UV light to clean it.

a reply to: Pearj

Wouldn't it be more accurate to state you'd really like some ME'er to state with certainty that they're dimensional travelers so you can more easily dismiss the phenomena?

NO


read your own threads and you will see posters claiming to be from another dimensions and that they are somehow special and have a purpose to help us closed minded people who haven't felt the shift.

..But I've never heard a single 'Effected' person state they are certain of the cause - and I follow the subject closely (I assume you don't based on your statement).

I have the same before now you have other posters saying the same thing.

I have told you where to find a poster saying making these claims, it was one of your 1st threads on the Mandela effect, was quite large 50+pages I believe.



Yeah, maybe this our Mandela effect.

We come from a reality where Mandela effected people think they have jumped dimensions and have made these claims on the net for us to read.

You haven't seen any of this as you just said


Explanation: we come from another reality where posters have said they come from another reality and are special for doing so.

a reply to: Pearj


Yeah, this map is not the one I remember, where's Artlantis? It's supposed to be in the middle of the ocean between Your Rope and North America.

a reply to: Pearj

Glad to address this oddness with an open mind. It is at the least entertaining, and at the most, paradigm shattering.

As I always caveat, most of these are simply mistakes of perception.

We have all experienced "divergent memories" to some degree...

BUT there are those few that I have to admit don't compute as mistakes, and so would have to extrapolate that others experience those, too, and that something very strange might be going on.


We are, after all, simply suburban robots monitoring reality... poorly.

No OP what happened is the whole of south america is on a giant rubber dingy and the wind just blew it closer to Africa this year.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: Pearj

BUT there are those few that I have to admit don't compute as mistakes, and so would have to extrapolate that others experience those, too, and that something very strange might be going on.

Well, supposedly not ALL people experience the Mandela Effect.

I say that because I haven't found a person yet that doesn't have the same background knowledge I have ("Luke, I am your father.", "If you build it, they will come.", Lion and Lamb, the world map etc), not one...

...The exception is ATS. Most ATS users remember it all differently - at least the vocal ones. Go figure?

I attribute that to a desire to argue on the internet and a herd mentality. Though I don't want to think this, sometimes it looks they are 'working' to sway others as though their job is to fill pages with put-downs and tired arguments.. to make it hard for others to find info - which if true, would mean there are 'other interests at work' (I'm sure I'm not the only one who's wondered at that on ATS).

I know most of the "usual suspects" so I just skim past - if I pick up on something about memory then I use that as an opportunity to refute, then skip all the others - problem solved. I'm counting on other people being smart enough to catch it and skim past too.

I can't state with enough emphasis the historical importance and impact of the knowledge of a "fluid reality" for our species. No words compare - so of course I can't be quiet.

What doesn't "compute as mistakes" for you? Maybe you've got one I've never heard of!

originally posted by: Pearj

Well, supposedly not ALL people experience the Mandela Effect.

No-one does. It's a completely imaginary thing, literally.

a reply to: Pearj

The one that "doesn't compute" is the new spelling of dilemNa ... being a "favorite" word my whole life and nearly always saying it as "deh-lem- Na" out loud as a nerd joke... then investigating and seeing a whole web site devoted to this weird new double M spelling and hearing every single friend say they remembered it as d-I-l-e-m-n-a, too, was convincing.

Pulling my old school dictionary out and seeing the now second M underlined with a grade school note saying "silent" blew my mind. Until that dictionary I thought it was all online mistakes with spellcheck or factoids or a social experiment by Google... or something.

Then Chic-fil-A , a restaurant I drove by frequently and we would joke about it being "chic (sheek)" changed one day a few years ago and everyone in the car was puzzled and we commented and thought a corporate change had occurred. Nope.

Then there were the celebs who I knew were dead, were not, anymore, and I accepted that something weird might be up... specifically Richard Chamberlain and Louie Anderson (and Don Rickles before he died again). Richard Chamberlain was one of the first big AIDS deaths after Rock Hudson and I distinctly remember the tabloids in the supermarkets showing his haggard, thin, spotted face and the "revelations" he was gay and I noticed because I loved Shogun when a kid ... and Louie Anderson specifically due to a discussion with my ex in the 90's about his undeserved fame as he wasn't a good comedian, and now we couldn't joke about him because he died young. I called my ex and she remembers that, too.

So as far as quickie "huh, thought it was different" memories, nah, no ME ... but the networked ones where others back you up and they don't make sense as common mistakes, like dilemna ... I mean dilemma, then yup.. something is up.

And yeah, the dedicated, almost autistic insistance against it by some strikes me as possible organized resistance... heh, maybe the govt broke reality with some ancient tech they dug up, or something... I have no friggan clue at this point.

So I, too, am "effected" ...and affected, for that matter. I just think many of the common ones are mistakes and people are seeing it where it is not. But either I went totally batpoop nuts along with my rl friends, or reality is different, now, for some, in a few spots.

I would rather be nuts, frankly, as the implications are a tad ... spooky.

a reply to: Pearj

And as far as the map, things like New Zealand don't impress me as I've seen people make mistakes about where it was my whole life... and seeing people freak out over things I knew people commonly make mistakes about, like Bible lion and lamb being a paraphrase of a long passage, makes me laugh (and cry)... and if we were merging 'verses in a multi-verse sense, then different maps would make the worlds too different to make the merge almost unnoticeable, imo.


BUT I did notice a change in the "look" of S America's position on my globe and map of the world above my desk a few years ago... and remember a conversation I had with a Chilean friend in school about how AZ was in the same longitude as Chile and we traced the map with our fingers... so either a whacky, oddly specific false memory, or the width of the Southern Atlantic DID change.

Maths say there is either no universe (as in a simulation of some sort) or a multiverse expanding as every sub atomic particle makes a 'choice'... so maybe the answer lies with some new tech someone developed... like why some point to quantum computing as a possible cause. Some unintended side effects, like inverse universes for some? Or some magical working that spun out of control? No idea.


I completely see why most chuckle at it, though, because memory sux without a supportive network of context and those not seeing these changes would think, of course, "stupid people being stupid with an extra helping of hubris."

a reply to: Baddogma

Dinner's ready so gotta be quick (sorry)...

Dilemna is a very common Effect for most, but not me, I rarely used the word before so can't be 100%.

Another going around is the word "Comfty" (as opposed to comfy?). This one I'm also not 100% on, but there's residue.

I am 100% on JCPenny. You?

Are you saying you have a physical dictionary with the word Dilemna? If so, will you PLEASE take a picture of it and post here?

There's a Chic-Fil-A down the street from us - see it all the time. It changed. Also used to make fun of it for "Sheek", like it's special fancy chicken (it's not - that's why it's funny).

Do you remember Christopher Reeves or Sally Fields? ("s" ending both). Christopher was in one of my fav movies "Somewhere In Time" - people say it's because we're confusing the first Superman actor. Wrong - I saw the first Superman once on laser disk in the late 70's I think (not a fan). I've seen Somewhere In Time tons (own it).

I ALSO HAVE A GLOBE ON MY DESK!!

Myself and my dad have maps everywhere. Got him a fancy giant one for father's day once, etc..

Rotate your globe so Japan's on one side barely visible - can you see California? One whole side of my globe is ocean now.

Also notice the Arctic. There is no more landmass there... So Admiral Byrd's' 'hole' couldn't be anywhere now, Nazi's must of put their tech in the ocean there... Used to be dog sled races across the Arctic.. not now. Not to mention the story of "Santa Claus".. his 'workshop' must be at the bottom of the ocean too. Not to mention shipping lanes - we've had ice busting hulls for a loooong time - yet there are no shipping lanes across the shortest route (historical or otherwise)? Odd huh? You wouldn't think floating ice chunks would get in the way of money (fuel/time).


Alright, chow time - will check back soon.

a reply to: Pearj

Comfy was short for "comfortable" ... so where does comfty come from? An non-US English version, maybe? I hadn't heard that, but another way to shorten, I guess... what, that's standard, now?

JC Penney or Penny ... no clear memory so couldn't say.

I remeber Sally Fields with an S ...definitely, so yeah, ME there, if she's now Field?

But the 1st Superman was George Reeves and it's always been Christopher Reeve for me, and that's a groaner as people always conflated those two. It's still that way, right?

That's why I'm iffy on many ...

add.. and that dictionary has it spelled dilemma with the 2nd M underlined with a note I wrote noting "silent" ... why would I note that in a double letter?

and the artic never had land in my own memories... only Antarctic had a landmass... another common mistake made by folks, but for all I know some people come from a reality with a northern continent... which is why this is so confusing and laughable to most.

a reply to: Baddogma

Until the Mandela Effect I'd never seen a map without the Arctic.

That's very interesting about the dictionary. Very.

..Like those photos of people pointing to The Statue Of Liberty on Ellis Island - only there's no Lady Liberty in the picture... Video of people saying Braggs as they run their finger over the title on the label that says Bragg.. The list goes on.

JFK - 4 or 6 seater?

I tend to believe you, which makes this all the stranger.

Wife told me last night she knows someone in her family who always answers with the current reality version when asked..

So he's 100% rooted here.. your 50% here, and we're 100% there...

Why... That's what bugs me.

What makes you different from me etc.. Wouldn't it stand to reason there's 50% of something we have in common? Blood type and age, but not skin color... Is there a food preference (plant based vs animal), fluoride use? (not asking, just giving examples)

I'd like to do a thread to study commonalities - but I don't think it'd be fruitful here.

We have to preserve this for future generations.. They aren't going to have any reference, and it's just going to be lost to time.

The whole thing is beyond words.

originally posted by: Pearj

I'd like to do a thread to study commonalities - but I don't think it'd be fruitful here.

The common factor is a bunch of people with appalling memories who refuse to accept the evidence of their own eyes and would rather believe in a multi-dimensional time-travelling paranoid conspiracy than entertain the idea that they might be wrong.