Proof that an advanced civilisation existed. Case closed.

originally posted by: badw0lf
a reply to: anonentity

Well I almost gave it a try, but either the narrator is full of it and rehashing already debunked myths that ancient people couldn't achieve the things they describe, or the Russian guy is. Or both.

Diamond tipped tools..

Case closed, yes. Because it is our inability to know what those ancient people did, how they did things or how they thought, not their inability have done so.

Diamonds don’t just disintegrate or corroded away as you are likely aware. Have any of these diamond tools been found around the pyramids or the quarries ?

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: mblahnikluver
Have you ever read the book by Michael Cremo Forbidden Archaeology [...]

That book has sooooo many different artifacts that really make you wonder.

I had that book a long time ago, but kind of had a debunking effect on me. Like you said, there are so many artifacts listed over such a long period of time that I really began to suspect that they were all junk -- misidentifications, hoaxes, improperly dated, etc. There were many I could easily dismiss. There were a lot that were just poorly recovered by amateurs and had very little information to go on. It made me start to think that the objects I couldn't easily dismiss were also junk, but I just didn't know exactly how. Not enough information to determine.

It also made me think that with all of these objects lying around, why is there not at least one that passes the smell test? Not one that was definitive and inarguably out of place. As I've pointed out in other topics, you can even look at Mars and see "artifacts" if that's what you're looking for. Cremo's book is full of that kind of stuff.

I love the book and honestly don't know what to make of half the stuff in it. I really liked the PDF version of the book because of the detailed images.

I like it because it really does make you think. Sure some could be faked but many make you really wonder and think.

What do you mean smell test? Also how are they not out of place? Did you skim the book or actually go through it?

As for Mars. I've spent years researching Mars images and there is only one image I find interesting, just one.
Mars Spirit Panoramic Sol 513 Most of the other images I find or "artifacts" I don't see anything but a rock. I came across this image about 10 years ago. It looks like some kind of statue possibly buried? Who knows. In my own opinion I truly believe Mars had a civilization and it was destroyed.

originally posted by: MonarchofBooks1611
Has anyone looked at www.megaliths.org... it has a ton of great info into this topic. One of the best documented and put together web sites I've seen.

Some people who think the rest of us aren't looking at what they are don't want to see that site. It might nip their paradigm.

I disagree Harte. I say your observation skill are not what you think. I see a brainwashed repeating of the narrative of the official story.

originally posted by: fleabit

originally posted by: Jobeycool
Bottom line is their are ancient granite blacks which cannot be cut with in ancient times and massive granite and limestone blocks which we do not understand how it was possible to move some of them.

They are constantly uncovering amazing and innovative ways that ancient civilizations solved problems with construction, farming, etc. - just because we don't understand how they did it, doesn't mean they used powered machinery and flatbed trucks. : )

Since we can't do what they do, it might mean a lot considering the vast knowledge at our fingertips and the ability to grow tech exponentially has been proven. We should be able to cut those rocks and move them precisely if they could.

Nothing lately says Bull poop more than an "official story". The odds are not in the favor of that being the truth with the people running the world now.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: blackcrowe
a reply to: HorizonFall

I'm not a scientist. But, science apparently only relies on evidence.

True science. We just have to accept that like presidents, scientists are humans who can be bought off too.

Well, I know a lot of archaeologists, and not only have I not heard of any of these suppressed 'advanced civilizations', I have not seen the lineup for the pay-offs. Just incidentally, have we worked out just why such things would be kept hidden from the masses, or is that just another snarky science-type question?

The history of all nations is dark and ugly.

Better to keep up the beautiful mystery of the Great Pyramid and the ancient times rather than expose the truth.

Many artifacts had great value through the fabricated stories and timelines. They would lose some value upon exposing the truth.

Many religions would be compromised.

Concept of use of suppression and manipulation for empire building would become exposed as the building blocks of most monuments and indeed most governments.

Further questioning then leads to that people mated with animals and 1 in million times "miracle" of birth would happen. Nobody wants those "experiments" to happen again. Surely there would be those that would want to be worshipped as gods for ghosting a baby "Jesus" but for the sake of animals everywhere it's probably best to keep erasing the Roman's axe marks by using excavators with rock grinding attachments and let the people just believe it was aliens or whatever that created the "scoop" marks.

In only a couple of months I have linked it all together, and I believe if I can do this so can anyone with an open mind whom are smart enough to outright dismiss aliens or extreme advanced technology.

All you have to do is shift the timeline closer to year zero, and understand the political, economic, religious, and animal protection motives. You have to think in a really big picture sort of way. Nobody I know can do that, so I expect plenty of false "debunkers".

I provided a step anyone can stand on to see a bit further.

originally posted by: mblahnikluver
What do you mean smell test? Also how are they not out of place? Did you skim the book or actually go through it?

By "smell test," I mean something that basically has no mystery associated with it. Even if you accept that they're artifacts and not just some naturally formed thing with a shape, way too many of the things have only a 150 year old newspaper article about them that could just as easily be entertainment as journalism. No photo, or maybe a bad drawing. No indication as to who found them, where, what happened to them, etc. Yeah, some of them had a story. But you know stories...

Yeah, I read it. It was a thick book, too! Which is why by the end of it, I was saying to myself that it would be cool if some or any of these artifacts could actually be investigated or verified as authentic. But nope. None of them.

I gave a lot of my old paranormal books to the student trading library at Cal Tech. Maybe one of those braniacs will show an interest and look into them.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: mblahnikluver
What do you mean smell test? Also how are they not out of place? Did you skim the book or actually go through it?

By "smell test," I mean something that basically has no mystery associated with it. Even if you accept that they're artifacts and not just some naturally formed thing with a shape, way too many of the things have only a 150 year old newspaper article about them that could just as easily be entertainment as journalism. No photo, or maybe a bad drawing. No indication as to who found them, where, what happened to them, etc. Yeah, some of them had a story. But you know stories...

Yeah, I read it. It was a thick book, too! Which is why by the end of it, I was saying to myself that it would be cool if some or any of these artifacts could actually be investigated or verified as authentic. But nope. None of them.

I gave a lot of my old paranormal books to the student trading library at Cal Tech. Maybe one of those braniacs will show an interest and look into them.

Cremo assiduously avoided any references younger than about a hundred years, completely ignoring any more recent findings because they would invalidate his claim.
The book in question was actually published by the Hare Krishna and serves as a basis for their creationist beliefs. It's like getting your ancient history info from Pat Robertson.

Harte

originally posted by: mblahnikluver

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: mblahnikluver
Have you ever read the book by Michael Cremo Forbidden Archaeology [...]

That book has sooooo many different artifacts that really make you wonder.

I had that book a long time ago, but kind of had a debunking effect on me. Like you said, there are so many artifacts listed over such a long period of time that I really began to suspect that they were all junk -- misidentifications, hoaxes, improperly dated, etc. There were many I could easily dismiss. There were a lot that were just poorly recovered by amateurs and had very little information to go on. It made me start to think that the objects I couldn't easily dismiss were also junk, but I just didn't know exactly how. Not enough information to determine.

It also made me think that with all of these objects lying around, why is there not at least one that passes the smell test? Not one that was definitive and inarguably out of place. As I've pointed out in other topics, you can even look at Mars and see "artifacts" if that's what you're looking for. Cremo's book is full of that kind of stuff.

I love the book and honestly don't know what to make of half the stuff in it. I really liked the PDF version of the book because of the detailed images.

I like it because it really does make you think. Sure some could be faked but many make you really wonder and think.

What do you mean smell test? Also how are they not out of place? Did you skim the book or actually go through it?

As for Mars. I've spent years researching Mars images and there is only one image I find interesting, just one.
Mars Spirit Panoramic Sol 513 Most of the other images I find or "artifacts" I don't see anything but a rock. I came across this image about 10 years ago. It looks like some kind of statue possibly buried? Who knows. In my own opinion I truly believe Mars had a civilization and it was destroyed.

That clearly looks like a human skull, modern human too. (ETA: the skull looks a bit to much like a person with a huge brain or a helmet/mask explanation might fit better, even a bit like a Imperial Storm Trooper from Star Wars)
The moon artifacts are compelling too.

www.youtube.com...

www.enterprisemission.com...

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: blackcrowe
a reply to: HorizonFall

I'm not a scientist. But, science apparently only relies on evidence.

True science. We just have to accept that like presidents, scientists are humans who can be bought off too.

Well, I know a lot of archaeologists, and not only have I not heard of any of these suppressed 'advanced civilizations', I have not seen the lineup for the pay-offs. Just incidentally, have we worked out just why such things would be kept hidden from the masses, or is that just another snarky science-type question?

Yes we have worked it out. It is because a man who does NOT know his history is doomed to repeat it. They know we are going to repeat it and the people who know, want to be ahead of the curve. Living underground without the unwashed masses to wait out the coming cataclysm seems to be the plan and we may be a long way off or a few days so they have to be ready.

a reply to: andre18

I've been to Cappadocia and went into one of these cities, might have been the one he mentioned- Derinkyu, the one I toured and explored was that big, stunning. Had a souvenir picture book even... heh. That was in 90 or 91, the Turks didn't seem that interested in investing any more time and energy into the enigma. The explanation was that the cities were build during early crusades by Christians to weather the Moslem hordes... interesting words in a Moslem country. Though they were much more moderate and reasonable then. The people at the top that is, gone are those days.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck


If you don't follow the paradigm which is the accepted propaganda. You cant bring these structures into the conversation. Mainly because they say that all the present propaganda is just that. Luckily for the paradigm, when people start expanding the ideas can get zany and are easily dismissed because the proof is missing. We are a very materialistic species, because in this society if you don't follow the script you or your family take a materialistic dive. This is so prevalent in this vid, the sites are literally blown up, so they go away

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck


If you don't follow the paradigm which is the accepted propaganda. You cant bring these structures into the conversation. Mainly because they say that all the present propaganda is just that. Luckily for the paradigm, when people start expanding the ideas can get zany and are easily dismissed because the proof is missing. We are a very materialistic species, because in this society if you don't follow the script you or your family take a materialistic dive. This is so prevalent in this vid, the sites are literally blown up, so they go away

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: blackcrowe
a reply to: HorizonFall

I'm not a scientist. But, science apparently only relies on evidence.

True science. We just have to accept that like presidents, scientists are humans who can be bought off too.

Well, I know a lot of archaeologists, and not only have I not heard of any of these suppressed 'advanced civilizations', I have not seen the lineup for the pay-offs. Just incidentally, have we worked out just why such things would be kept hidden from the masses, or is that just another snarky science-type question?

Power, position, prestige.

have we worked out just why such things would be kept hidden from the masses

I don't know about the others so I only speak for myself.

I want you to imagine for a second that you are a slave owner, one that is getting more anxious, more concerned every day, that your slaves are going to revolt against you.

Most "home" slaves were allowed to wear ordinary working class clothes, meaning cheaper tunics and sandals. Some of them even wore expensive clothes, if this enhanced the status of their masters. They were not forced to wear bracelets, necklaces or similar. Everybody knew who they were and no one dared taking them away. However, on the larger plantations, where slaves were just a number and the risk of losing them to escape or raiding by thieves or covetous neighbors was great, branding, tattooing or wearing distinctive, hard to remove metal or leather arm or neck bands was current

How were Roman slaves identified? I know collars existed but seem to only have been put on slaves who ran away. Did they wear specific clothes?

Today, we only carry a plastic card, the card of our owner.

The best slaves are one who do not realize, they are slaves. Why should they revolt? True, we are given a choice as to which owner will rule us. And true again, we can use cash, which by the way, they want to get rid of so your just a account number. Your Social Security number is also a slave number. But look at all the new tech gadgets and "got to have things" on the market. You are constantly bombarded with new and amazing things you must have. Just grab that card, and you can have it all. Financial Enslavement.

Religions do not get a free pass either. You must pay a preacher to tell you all about your savior. What was it he saved us from again? I don't seem to remember. Something about a table and a whip, and changing money??

First things first, you do not want your slaves to be more knowledgeable than you or your not going to keep your slaves for long. And depending on how smart your slaves are in the first place, you might even have to give them red hearings to chase after. And of course, your going to have placed into their midst a clandestine spy, or spy network that would report to you any suspicious activities and to thwart any real information they could use to Escape your enslavement.

You do not want your slave to have long and independent lives as eventually in time they would figure out the "Game". Instead, you limit their life spans just long enough to be of use for a certain time then plan for their demise, and replacements. Fluoride, mercury, and other toxic chemicals added to their environment. And if their numbers grow too great to control, you simply agitate a war between them, having them kill each other, until the numbers drop below a useful number. The rest will humble themselves for surviving, and be grateful for their lives.

So, what do your slaves do for you? Any sh!t you want, from simple pleasure watching them kill each other, to harvesting their technology they create. Any and all, in between.

Does the "Owner" have a hierarchy? Look around you......... From top to bottom.

You are enslaved, intellectually, emotionally, financially, and of course, historically.

Why is everything hidden? As a slave, you have no right, to know, or even to know, your enslavement.

Take the blue pill, Go back to your life, and forget it all.

Could you believe that their actually is a society that is absolutely free? You better keep that bit of fact in the realm of fiction and myth, if you want to keep your slaves. If they find out, that alone could start a "Revolution", and you could loose everything.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye


All this can only happen, to people who have no sense of what they are, when their real history is substituted. Because if they had a clue that they were answerable only to the supreme being the whole shebang falls to bits. The problem being who is the supreme being?
What is known and what then can be deduced is also dicey, but at Globekli Tepi a bone has been found which seems to place the Archeo Astronomical focus of the site, on the stars of the Cygnus constellation. That wouldn't be remarkable but theirs some good research by Collins that the Pyramids in Egypt are not designed to mimic Orion but the sets of the stars in Cygnus, , this is the Centre of the Galaxy the great void decidedly empty place as far as stars are concerned. This would just have been interesting, but for the fact that once a day, when the Earth faces this constellation the hum of the Universe, the radiation from the big bang is detected for a few hours. When the Paulo Alto Psy lab did an analysis of their hits, they coincided with the time that their locality was facing Cygnus. I cant find the original document that described this on the internet it was years ago it might be so obscure its disappeared., if any one can find it thanks.
So it's fairly obvious that the people that built these sites, did it for other reasons than for money. Can we assume that in their belief system, personal physical gain was irrelevant. However personal spiritual gain was the driving factor. So they knew something that we do not, and it wasn't just their technology.

I cant seem to embed the Cygnus lecture but its here vwww.youtube.com...

a reply to: anonentity

Could be the basis for the later Zeus mythology.
Cygnus was said to be Zeus in disguise(swan mode).
Zeus was known as the lord of the sky and rain for the Greeks.
The author Homer presented astronomical secrets in story narrative hundreds of years before the Greek formalism.

At the end of the day we are still talking about working basic stone.... Why would an advance civilization have all these advance tools and only work stone...lol

a reply to: Xtrozero

Could be an indication that the rulers of the day were not patient enough to entertain dreams of metallurgical accomplishments.
They had brilliant astronomers, mathematicians and stone masons who could sell a stone pyramid dream to the leaders.
Typically mechanically minded people that dream up advanced technology are out of synch with the more extroverted thinking leadership.

a reply to: Xtrozero


Natural Stone seems to be the only thing that endures through millenniums. It can endure in deep space as well. Pick an asteroid hollow it out, fit the high tech engines, and the only thing to worry about is the transit vehicle down to a planets surface. Its the most efficient way for a large ship. Park the asteroid in orbit etc. Phobos and Deimos seem to have a bit of strangeness to them, come to that so does our moon. I suppose its ours. Makes sense.