House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: RadioRobert

True. However there is one other thing that can be considered as well.

With the releasing of the memo, the investigation is botched, and ruined, and thus it makes no sense to keep all of the stuff on Cater Page hidden or classified. I say release it all, with no redactions, show the evidence, and thus if it is false, he goes free and innocent, but if he is guilty, then perhaps the lesson should be for all, not to jump to conclusions, as the evidence will show one way or another.

Can you point to the specific pieces of information RE: carter page that were not already in the public domain, and that support this absurd assertion?

a reply to: Sillyolme

Nunes and everyone else said since day one that this was just step one. They said before it was even released that this was about 10% of the main issues they are working on.

a reply to: RadioRobert

No, more like it goes to Rule X of the committees. Here is how it goes down: A committee wants to release classified information to the public, they have to send it and the request to the President for him to review and his say. There is a 5 day window for the president to respond. If the President says yes, then the congressman can do such. But if the President says no, in writing, then it falls to a secondary procedure and rules. The first thing the congressman would do would be to return to committee and have a vote there, if it is agreed on, then it moves to the main floor where a second vote must be called. It takes a majority vote to agree, then it can be released.


A congressman can not just buck the rules and read what ever they want into the public record, they have to follow the rules or face the consequences for such.

a reply to: BlueAjah

No honey. This was going to be it. The smoking gun. The memo to expose them all.

Look, there are videos of the Fox crew and Nunes and Jordan and King all saying how this memo had to be seen to be believed. That they were shook to use a YouTube phrase.
How it was a disgrace. And now the cheeky in chief is saying that Nunes will be remembered as an American hero which is the funniest thing I've heard so far.

Phase one means whoops I did it again.

Will trump declassify the democrats memo?
Will he allow them to release it?

a reply to: Sillyolme

No, it is not nearly over:
Steele wrote memo based on information fed through Clinton campaign

Now people start going to jail.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Will trump declassify the democrats memo?
Will he allow them to release it?

I doubt he can do either. It's up to the House and Senate to decide things in their spheres.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: BlueAjah

No honey. This was going to be it. The smoking gun. The memo to expose them all.

Look, there are videos of the Fox crew and Nunes and Jordan and King all saying how this memo had to be seen to be believed. That they were shook to use a YouTube phrase.
How it was a disgrace. And now the cheeky in chief is saying that Nunes will be remembered as an American hero which is the funniest thing I've heard so far.

Phase one means whoops I did it again.

Releasing the memo is the first thing. Then you have to release the supporting docs that prove said memo. The IG report and other reports will do most of that.

No one, at least on the Dems side, will believe any of it unless it's irrefutable evidence. I think they have the evidence, it's just a matter of when it all gets out. The net has been cast and is being drawn smaller and smaller.

a reply to: TheRedneck
The Trey Gowdy part, you may want to goggle it. And I was talking about the Clinton/Benghazi investigation.

The memo was kept secret up until the very end, with very few initially getting to look at it, and then it was a quick view by the house before getting sent to the White House. Only once there, the FBI and DOJ were able to read through it fully and even then they were saying releasing it was a bad idea.

I used the Pizzagate as an example of how rumor got turned into a scare and that people believed it hook line and sinker, without a second thought.

To answer your question on Trump, that is well documented and easy to answer: The reason why Trump got away with it, is that he had a good teacher, Roy Cohn. There he learned that when he was going after in court, to instead start attacking. Trump, while a private citizen had 2 sets of attorneys, the first to defend him, and the other to attack and bring lawsuits against those bringing up lawsuits against him. And for those who are persistent there have been times when the man was brought to justice. But mostly his attorneys would wear the other side down till it was just a settlement for pennies on the dollar instead of paying what was due them. Even Trump managed to destroy records, as was seen in a few of the court cases against him. And when someone dared to stand up or even where the man looked like he was going to be threatened, funny how witnesses ended up getting death threats for daring to speak out against the man. The man has in the past used Non Disclosure agreements in his dealings, and that would hamper much. He is known to deal with criminal figures, but his lawyers were good enough to keep him protected from even himself at times.

While I do not have remote viewing, bless your heart for thinking that I do, but perhaps if you actually knew people who had to deal with classified information, or who has worked for say the NSA, or law enforcement, or even a lawyer who has dealt with this stuff may be able to help you out. Sides most of what I post, you can find out on line. But bless your heart for reading this.

a reply to: BlueAjah

Apparently that didn't matter. The judges thought they had enough to renew the warrant three times already. Twice under trump. The dossier obviously didn't play the role you guys were claiming. Now it's only phase one.
The game keeps changing. Every time they come up empty handed they try another route. All in an attempt to stop the FBI and special counsel from investigating trump.
Obviously he's guilty of something. Otherwise he'd let them finish.
I wonder if phase two involves secret societies or hand shakes and stuff?
Maybe Q knows.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: Sillyolme

No, it is not nearly over:
Steele wrote memo based on information fed through Clinton campaign

Now people start going to jail.

As bad it looked for the Dems before, it just got worse. We now know that at least some of the information in the Dossier was given to him by Clinton's people.

So, now we have a dodgy dossier whose information comes from a mixture of Russian intelligence and the Clintons, with a 4Chan troll thrown in for good measure. And this was presented to the courts as a document that should be taken seriously.

And we're supposed to worry about Trump's foreign dealings?

a reply to: pavil

He had to declassify Nunes memo. He was on tv saying he had done that and sent it back to them.
Are we changing the rules already, in an attempt to halt a balanced rebuttal? Or did you forget what just happened this past week?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: pavil

He had to declassify Nunes memo. He was on tv saying he had done that and sent it back to them.
Are we changing the rules already, in an attempt to halt a balanced rebuttal? Or did you forget what just happened this past week?

My point, perhaps I'm not clear on, is that Congress has to move first. The executive branch didn't even see the memo till after the vote was done. Trump could not have decassified it if Congress had voted to keep it under wraps.

Can someone confirm my belief on that?

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Now the info in the dossier came from Clinton.

Wow.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Here is how it goes down: ...

Well, that's certainly a preferred method, though this is the first time it's been done/attempted.

A congressman can not just buck the rules and read what ever they want into the public record, they have to follow the rules or face the consequences for such.

The US Constitution Article 1: Section 6 and the Supreme Court have said differently. Ask Mike Gravel, for example.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Now the info in the dossier came from Clinton.

Wow.

Some info that is/was in another Steele report. Not the same dossier it appears. It started as Opposition research, you give people what they paid for....... Keeps them paying you.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: pavil

He had to declassify Nunes memo. He was on tv saying he had done that and sent it back to them.
Are we changing the rules already, in an attempt to halt a balanced rebuttal? Or did you forget what just happened this past week?

My point, perhaps I'm not clear on, is that Congress has to move first. The executive branch didn't even seen the memo till after the vote was done. Trump could not have decassified it if Congress had voted to keep it under wraps.

Can someone confirm my belief on that?

The Chief Executive can declassify anything he wants to. I'm not sure if he can declassify a House document, because it is not executive. It was produced by the legislative branch. On the other hand, he is the ultimate classifying authority. Interesting question.
Trump absolutely could release the underlying information because it is part of the executive branch. The HIC memo might have a legal argument for not because of it's origin, but I'm honestly not sure. My guess is he could as the executive branch is responsible for determining classification.

Given the press's hysterical reaction to passively allowing it to be declassified, can you imagine what they'd be screaming if he unilaterally declassified anything? Safer to let Congress release or leak it.

a reply to: RadioRobert

So Napolitano is saying exactly what I have been saying.

Over promised underwhelmed stuck in he said she said without the data.

insider.foxnews.com...

a reply to: Sillyolme

Yes the FISA warrant was renewed several times however the manner in which they were renewed is just one of many problems with this. When you go to renew a warrant you must provide new information / evidence in order to get the renewal. You cannot keep using the same material over and over.

In this case, each time they went for a renewal they went to different judges. One reason for doing that is so you can submit the renewal request using the original warrants information (instead of the legally required new evidence / info) and not having to worry the judge would be familiar with the previous warrants and the info used to obtain them.

Secondly, as I stated in this post each allegation made in a FISA warrant application MUST be verified / corroborated or it cannot be used (woods protocol).

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