the true first encounter with the "grays" 1965 valensole france humanoid encounters

a reply to: Kandinsky

i share your worry
its sad that many of these witnesses are at an very advanced age, and never were interviewed
meanwhile those witnesses from roswell and remdlesham appear in almost every ufo documentary ever
this ufo prejudice should stop, the smaller stories always are ignored
other two fellows that should be interviewed are:
lee parish from the 1979 "monolith" abduction
the anonymous teen from the vilvorde climbing alien case from 1973.
and then there is jean hingley from the mince pie martians case however due to her age at the time of her encounter she is probally dead now

a reply to: nOraKat

ok then i guess

a reply to: Lathroper

i already talked about the first one in an post earlier in the thread as for the second one, never heard of it

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: Kandinsky

and then there is jean hingley from the mince pie martians case however due to her age at the time of her encounter she is probally dead now

See if you like this interview. He's a retired police officer who was connected to the 'mince pies' incident - John Hanson.

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: mamabeth

yes but i never had some of those scary hypnagonic hallucinations some people have when in paralysis

In the early 1970s I did and I had no idea what was happening. I used to sleep on my stomach and one night I awoke but couldn't move my body to lay on my back or on the sides. I felt a weight on my back and heard the most hideous sounds I ever heard. I tried to call to my nephew in the adjoining room thru the open door but I couldn't produce any vocal sounds and I was scared out of my wits. I fell back asleep and awoke with the memory of the experience because I had been conscious during the experience.

I never thought I was being abducted nor thought of aliens. Later I researched sleep paralysis and learnt I had an episode of what is called "the old hag":

The night hag or old hag is a fantasy creature from the folklore of various peoples which is used to explain the phenomenon of sleep paralysis. ... The word "night-mare" or "nightmare" was used to describe this phenomenon before the word acquired its modern, more general meaning.

I undertood why something like this can be experienced and once you understand it your knowledge dissipates any fear that was created. Nevertheless, I have never slept on my stomach again!

a reply to: Kandinsky

nice!

originally posted by: humanoidlord
an common misconception is that the first encounter with the grays was in the betty and barney hill abduction, in fact the valensole encounter not only happened earlier but also when first interviewed the couple said the "aliens" looked quite human only later distorting it into an gray image

Exactly. In that way it was like Roswell. The very early Roswell reports indicated that they were "little people," small in stature but essentially human-looking. It wasn't until the increased level of interest in the story in the late 70s that reports started to include the standard "gray alien" description.

a reply to: Blue Shift

exactly!

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: Blue Shift

exactly!

I wouldnt say exactly exactly, the version of this encounter I first read back in the 80's indicated the aliens where dressed in one piece complete body coverings a white/silver color and their heads where covered completely so the features underneath where not discernible, but they where short with slightly larger than normal heads.

Thing is, even back in the days of Roswell while they where called little people they still were described as not being human, human like but still not human in appearance. Granted no where near the typical pop culture appearance of the greys as they appear today, more like hairless, hardly any nose, small mouthed, bigger than normal eyes and little or no ears... not the huge head, thin arms with impossibly thin neck, no cloths, GIANT black eyes and pure grey skin.

I think the more modern appearance of the grey has been exaggerated from any real truth by visual depictions or false accounts or out right lies over the years but its stuck in the minds of the public and now people see them like that or when they make up an encounter they use what the deem society would expect. One of the big beefs ive had over the decades by artist impressions in ufo encounters, the ones that embelish the drawn recreations do a ton of harm to a case.

Id still put more stock in these old cases than anything from the last decade or two. Their simple, consise and apart from the encounter itself, no so far fetched as to stretch belief.

originally posted by: Kandinsky

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: Kandinsky

and then there is jean hingley from the mince pie martians case however due to her age at the time of her encounter she is probally dead now

See if you like this interview. He's a retired police officer who was connected to the 'mince pies' incident - John Hanson.

I started to listen to the interview until the host brought up the Roswell "crash" and made stupid, supporting comments and giving Stanton Friedman credit for reviving the event in a non-factual way. Since the host was a believer in a UFO crashing near Roswell, contrary to what really happened, I tuned out because of the obvious stupid bias of the host who needs a lesson in critical thinking.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: humanoidlord
an common misconception is that the first encounter with the grays was in the betty and barney hill abduction, in fact the valensole encounter not only happened earlier but also when first interviewed the couple said the "aliens" looked quite human only later distorting it into an gray image

Exactly. In that way it was like Roswell. The very early Roswell reports indicated that they were "little people," small in stature but essentially human-looking. It wasn't until the increased level of interest in the story in the late 70s that reports started to include the standard "gray alien" description.

No one associated with the recovery of the balloon train debris said anything about occupants especially "little people". This is the mythology that keeps Roswell alive. And since there weren't any "little people" then they couldn't graduate to the "standard 'gray alien'"

BS should not be promoted. The case has been thoroughly debunked as far as otherworldly explanations and only the truth should be promoted. Your explanation is the money-making one. Truth doesn't sell.

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: Blue Shift

exactly!

It's too bad that you are sitting on the wrong side of the fence. Don't fall or you'll break up into little pieces.

originally posted by: BigfootNZ
I wouldnt say exactly exactly, the version of this encounter I first read back in the 80's indicated the aliens where dressed in one piece complete body coverings a white/silver color and their heads where covered completely so the features underneath where not discernible, but they where short with slightly larger than normal heads.

Now you have me wondering what was the very first mention of aliens in the Roswell story. I know that it got mixed up with the 1952 Aztec story fairly early.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: BigfootNZ
I wouldnt say exactly exactly, the version of this encounter I first read back in the 80's indicated the aliens where dressed in one piece complete body coverings a white/silver color and their heads where covered completely so the features underneath where not discernible, but they where short with slightly larger than normal heads.

Now you have me wondering what was the very first mention of aliens in the Roswell story. I know that it got mixed up with the 1952 Aztec story fairly early.

It doesn't hurt to do minimal research.

Growing interest, 1978–1994
Between 1978 and the early 1990s, UFO researchers such as Stanton T. Friedman, William Moore, Karl T. Pflock, and the team of Kevin D. Randle and Donald R. Schmitt interviewed several hundred people who claimed to have had a connection with the events at Roswell in 1947.[15] Hundreds of documents were obtained via Freedom of Information Act requests, along with other documents such as Majestic 12 that were supposedly leaked by insiders. Their conclusions were at least one alien spacecraft crashed near Roswell, alien bodies had been recovered, and a government cover-up of the incident had taken place.[3]

Glenn Dennis was produced as a supposedly important witness in 1989, after calling the hotline when an episode of Unsolved Mysteries featured the Roswell incident. His descriptions of Roswell alien autopsies were the first account that said there were alien corpses at the Roswell Army Air Base.[3]

As for the accounts from those who claimed to have seen aliens, critics identified problems ranging from the reliability of second-hand accounts, to credibility problems with witnesses making demonstrably false claims, or multiple, contradictory accounts, to dubious death-bed confessions or accounts from elderly and easily confused witnesses.[38][39][40] Pflock noted that only four people with supposed firsthand knowledge of alien bodies were interviewed and identified by Roswell authors: Frank Kaufmann; Jim Ragsdale; Lt. Col. Albert Lovejoy Duran; Gerald Anderson.[41] Duran is mentioned in a brief footnote in The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell and never again, while the other three all have serious credibility problems. A problem with all the accounts, charge critics, is they all came about a minimum of 31 years after the events in question, and in many cases were recounted more than 40 years after the fact. Not only are memories this old of dubious reliability, they were also subject to contamination from other accounts the interviewees may have been exposed to.[3] The shifting claims of Jesse Marcel, whose suspicion that what he recovered in 1947 was "not of this world" sparked interest in the incident in the first place, cast serious doubt on the reliability of what he claimed to be true.

a reply to: BigfootNZ

all versions of this account showns the humanoids to be the stereotypical grey
i think you are misremenbering mandela effect style

a reply to: Lathroper

i agree with you that stanton friedman sucks
as for roswell i have no idea, the only thing is certain is that it was neither an wheater balloon neither an mogul, because there werent launches on that date

a reply to: Lathroper

balloon

no it wasnt one
more likely it was either an aircraft crash, an covered up nuke malfunction or even something paranormal

originally posted by: humanoidlord
as for roswell i have no idea, the only thing is certain is that it was neither an wheater balloon neither an mogul, because there werent launches on that date

My favorite alternate "explanation" for Roswell these days was that some of the Paperclip Nazis over at White Sands decided to see if they could get a modified V-2 into near-orbit with a child's corpse or some other kind of body to see what damage it would do to a person, and it went haywire. Possibly leading to the development of a guided missile... guided by a person inside. It would naturally remain classified, as this wouldn't read well in the news even today.

I also suspect that the world's first "astronaut" might have been a slave laborer shoved in a test rocket at Peenemunde. No records of that, though. But that's certainly the way those Nazis were.

a reply to: Blue Shift

My favorite alternate "explanation" for Roswell these days was that some of the Paperclip Nazis over at White Sands decided to see if they could get a modified V-2 into near-orbit with a child's corpse or some other kind of body to see what damage it would do to a person, and it went haywire.

Nick Redfern touched on similar ideas a few years back. Human experimentation with an 'alien' cover story. We're talking about a time before Milgram and MKULTRA when almost anything was allowed. Radiation tests on the infantry etc. It stands to reason that some research will have been shockingly unethical and every trace will have been destroyed.

My favourite alternate explanation is Brazell and Marcel actually finding wreckage of something extraordinary. Soldiers clear the wreckage and away it all goes on a flat-bed truck. Alert the Press. In less than the blink of an eye, the saucer wreckage is humdrum balsa sticks and pieces of balloon material. Some recall bodies, some don't. They doubt their senses and brush it all away like a lucid bad dream.

a reply to: Blue Shift

oh yes! nick redfern's "asian in the spaceship" theory
likely one of the most plausible ones