Strzok text and why isn't anyone asking the obvious?

originally posted by: introvert

Also, it does not explain why the Right in congress are pushing a certain narrative against the DoJ.

Nunes and friends are trying to build a specific narrative about the DoJ and the FBI in order to create an air of doubt surrounding the investigation.  

I'm starting to warm to the idea that it is so the Dems and left will reflexively and ardently defend the DOJ and Mueller, so when the other shoe drops they already plugged their most convenient political escape route of blaming "Trump's DOJ".

a reply to: RadioRobert

I'm just curious about your stance on the OIG, since Dems all cheered for launching the investigation in January, but the enthusiasm seems to be dampening a bit.

I'm not a democrat and I am not responsible or accountable for their actions/opinions.

Will your reaction depend on the findings?

My reaction depends on what the truth of the matter is and what facts are found.

I'm just curious why you might know more or care more than the OIG about their investigation into improper politicization within the FBI and DOJ.

I've only made observations and expressed them. Not sure what I have said that would indicate the level at which I "care".

a reply to: RadioRobert

I'm starting to warm to the idea that it is so the Dems and left will reflexively and ardently defend the DOJ and Mueller, so when the other shoe drops they already plugged their most convenient political escape route of blaming "Trump's DOJ".

At this point, the Dems are as hypocritical as the Right when it comes to how they feel about the DoJ and the investigations.

Both sides have no political escape route, regardless of the outcome. They have already exposed themselves as being hypocritical and blatantly dishonest.

Very few of us have been consistent throughout these investigations.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: RadioRobert

I'm starting to warm to the idea that it is so the Dems and left will reflexively and ardently defend the DOJ and Mueller, so when the other shoe drops they already plugged their most convenient political escape route of blaming "Trump's DOJ".

I've only made observations and expressed them. Not sure what I have said that would indicate the level at which I "care".
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Very few of us have been consistent throughout these investigations.

That's why I'm wondering what your view is of the OIG.

You mentioned that you think the DOJ is politicized and fighting itself by this release. That implies you think the release was improper and politicized. It certainly by extension seems you must care more than the OIG who is currently investigating exactly such politicization in the DOJ and FBI since January and who also okayed the release of the texts.

a reply to: RadioRobert

That's why I'm wondering what your view is of the OIG.

I have no reason to doubt their integrity and will accept their findings and such.

You mentioned that you think the DOJ is politicized and fighting itself by this release. That implies you think the release was improper and politicized.

I think, specifically, that the Trump DoJ is trying to undermine, with the help of stooges like Nunes in congress, the FBI/SC's investigation and is using whatever they can, including simple appearances of impropriety.

That being said, too many people are taking that narrative and running with it.

a reply to: introvert

I think one or two of these things taken individually aren't a very big deal. I've called the POTUS a feminine hygiene product using the same word as Strzok on this very forum just the other day.
But I also know bull# when I see it, and it seems to be piling up in an impressive mound of crappy coincidences related to the dossier and the people compiling it and presenting it to the FISA court.

(I also think the open hearings are pure theatre. Most of them regardless of party spend their time delivering talking points for context instead of just asking their questions. And most of the questions they either already know the answer to, or know that it can't be answered in that forum).

We'll see how the OIG and SC reports shake out, I guess.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: introvert

....yet you have zero issues with DOJ actions under the previous Admin?


Cost: Priceless!
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I don't recall something similar happening under the Obama admin.

Nice try at deflecting though with a false equivalency.

There were no questionable actions by the DOJ in 2016?

16 pardons, the whole Steele thing , the tarmac meeting, the Clinton server investigation, insurance in case a Trump victory?

Where have you been?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

It's a simple yes or no question. It doesn't take multiple paragraphs to say yes or no.

Let me make it a little simpler. Ignore my other question. If Trump is found innocent, will you trust the investigation?

It is obvious by now that either you don't want to admit as to the "real collusion" and "real corruption" that has had several intelligence agencies work their a$$es off to try not to get Trump elected as President. Or...you are not smart enough to put together what has been going on since the Obama administration. These plots started under the Obama administration.

Now those same agencies, which were implanted alongside our military and other government agencies with left-wing and far left-wing spooks who simply want to impose the left's agenda and don't care about truth, or the law of the land/aka the U.S. Constitution.

Just as a side note, I do wonder why and what did Obama discuss with world leaders recently as he is not the POTUS or even a lawful politician any longer... Not to mention the fact that Obama and his team of brown shirts set up shop close to the White House and have stated they want to continue the legacy of former President Obama, which in itself goes against the law since another President was elected, and the will of the people was made clear that we don't want "Obama's legacy" any longer.

Another question that seems to escape a lot of people is the involvement of Obama/Holder on these plots that are being uncovered. Heck, we all know by now the Obama administration even used the IRS to target political opposition groups on the right, so it shouldn't be too hard even for leftists in this website to realize that Obama and his administration were the people at the top of these plots against a sitting President and against the will of the people.

It is obvious by now that the "real fake news" that the left is guilty of, together with these plots against a sitting President are all about the left trying to get rid of a sitting President that will not follow the left's agenda and this has the left in general mortified and horrified. (not because PRESIDENT Trump would be bad for the nation but simply because he would not follow the left's agenda set up under the Obama administration.)

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: seeker1963

What do you think of Democrats? Witches or devils?

Fools who are tools of something called the NWO.

I will add RINO"s (Speaker Ryan set to step down in 2018) to that list. They are helping hose us up too.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Why isn't anyone asking the real obvious question. Why is the media pushing this story so hard and why are the texts (which would be pretty important to the ongoing investigation) being made so public? Is the FBI always so lenient with their evidence where they just let it out to the public like this?

The media is making this crap headline news for a reason, they have an agenda and I think that's to preoccupy people with these leaks so that more important issues keep going ignored, like net neutrality and Trump allowing oil drilling and fracking in our national parks. What is the purpose of letting all this information out to the public? Usually investigations are kept locked tight from the public, especially ones as "important" as this one, so why make everything with this one so public day after day and week after week?

Do you guys honestly think the media doesn't have an agenda on reporting this stuff like they are? It's a form of social engineering and you guys are eating it up. Look at the divide they've created with their coverage over the past few years, you guys are so blind to it it's crazy. The media is spitting out propaganda left and right and you guys eat it up left and right. Sad.

Public opinion has no affect on the outcome of the investigation but they sure do love us arguing over it. While we fight we divide ourselves. We are doing the heavy lifting for them.

The agenda is to make these few agents the "fall guys" for the whole Clinton/obama apparatus that tried to rig the election. "See, we caught 'em. Now we can stop investigating anyone else"

originally posted by: Martin75

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

It's a simple yes or no question. It doesn't take multiple paragraphs to say yes or no.

Let me make it a little simpler. Ignore my other question. If Trump is found innocent, will you trust the investigation?

(sorry I'm butting in)

*I'm not so much a Trump supporter as I am an anti-Washington supporter. Trump is like a bull in a china shop and the whole lot of them are nervous (R&D alike!). Now if we could somehow get term limits....

Me too on being anti whatever these current set of people in Washington have turned our system into here. This is downright politburo tactics.

Term limits being voted to help the people by the current set of foxes guarding their hen houses is unlikely

a reply to: RadioRobert

But I also know bull# when I see it, and it seems to be piling up in an impressive mound of crappy coincidences related to the dossier and the people compiling it and presenting it to the FISA court.

Those coincidences are also being used as a propaganda tool to get people worked up, without having all the facts or context in order to get a bigger picture.

a reply to: pavil

There were no questionable actions by the DOJ in 2016?

Of course there were, but I do not see the similarities to this situation. We cannot make a comparison were very little of one exists.

It conflates the two issues and serves no purpose, other than to deflect.

16 pardons, the whole Steele thing , the tarmac meeting, the Clinton server investigation, insurance in case a Trump victory?

Where have you been?

Much of those you know very little about because we lack a lot of facts surrounding them.

Would be best to wait before pushing those narratives.

a reply to: introvert

That's true as far as it goes. The larger problem with that as a narrative is that for over a month, the more information that leaks out, the worse it looks. None of the players on either side or from the OIG/FBI/DOJ in that time have offered any context that would mitigate all the "coincidences". The OIG and DOJ, in fact, actually offered up the text messages to provide context to the Strzok dismissal, and it certainly hasn't helped frame an innocent alternative. One would think that if there was a context in which the FBI came out roses, they'd be tripping over themselves to provide those mitigating details at the hearings.

a reply to: RadioRobert

The larger problem with that as a narrative is that for over a month, the more information that leaks out, the worse it looks.

That's the point. While we should be concerned about the facts surrounding the case, people in the media and on site like this are more concerned about how it looks.

None of the players on either side or from the OIG/FBI/DOJ in that time have offered any context that would mitigate all the "coincidences". The OIG and DOJ, in fact, actually offered up the text messages to provide context to the Strzok dismissal, and it certainly hasn't helped frame an innocent alternative. One would think that if there was a context in which the FBI came out roses, they'd be tripping over themselves to provide those mitigating details at the hearings.

Why would they care about what a bunch of uninformed people think? It's not their job to worry about the politics of it all. Though it does now appear that the DoJ may have been playing politics if they did in fact take this info to the press without giving them access to the complete information.

Oh, I care about the facts. And the only facts we have right now look pretty bad. In fact, otherwise baseless speculation and inventing context is the only way to make this "look" better. So while you speculate that there may be some mitigating factors which would allow us to ignore the facts, you (apparently noncognizant of the irony) are looking down your nose at people who are making judgements on what facts we do know.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

a reply to: Dfairlite

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originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus


your version of this is the doj gave these to the house judiciary COMMITTEE then the COMMITTEE gave "edited" versions of the texts to the press?

That is reality's version.

can't help you if you don't get that.

You can't help because you don't care what the truth is if it isn't what you want. Not because you understand the problem and can't understand how we can't. You are not dense by accident.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

so the doj did not release these?
lol
your version of this is the doj gave these to the house judiciary COMMITTEE then the COMMITTEE gave "edited" versions of the texts to the press?
Even if that were the case there are dems on the COMMITTEE as well so it still would not be the "GOP" releasing this it would be the COMMITTEE


whatever you say

It is my understanding that the DoJ released the info to congress, not the press or to the public.

It's also important to note that apparently the emails also contained disparaging comments about people on the Left as well. Specifically Bernie Sanders.

And Eric Holder

Indeed. Now we are in a position in which biases can be seen for both sides of the aisle. So the real question we have to answer is if those biases affected the way they conducted their jobs in any way. If not, this will end up being another case of nothing more than political drama.

Fail fail flail but you fail with your rail.

The difference of the bias is the RINO's and Dems hate America and the freedom we have to say what we think. The Middle to Right indies and R's love it here for the chance to do what we want as long as it hurts no one and say what we want.

a reply to: Justoneman

I'm positive none of us dems nor any RINOs hate America. That doesn't even address the issue of the thread. It's just nasty place holder.
The case is being built on evidence. If you think these people fabricated evidence wouldn't others on the team discover it? If they ignored exculpatory evidence don't you think someone else would find it? Or is it the rights belief that the entire investigatory team is working as a biased unit to get trump in any way they can?