Survey: two in three Trump supporters want a president who breaks the rules

I'm not even surprised. Who would be?

Some 66% of Republicans classified by the researchers as “Always Trump” agreed that “because things have gotten so far off track in this country, we need a leader who is willing to break some rules if that’s what it takes to set things right”, according to a random sample of 2,019 adults.

More than half (55%) of all Republicans or Republican-leaning independents hold the same view, although Trump’s sworn opponents disagree.

www.theguardian.com...

It's already apparent that Trump is continuing the status quo. Drone strikes are up under this administration and Trump is looking to loosen the limits surrounding their use. He's been supportive in the expanding surveillance powers of the NSA. The administration supports the Patriot Act and it's continuation. There's talk of the introduction of private spies on behalf of this administration. The administration's insistence in keeping Guantánamo Bay open. Trumps insistence that the NFL somehow stop players from kneeling and silenty protesting during the anthem.

This survey is accurate in my opinion. In fact I think the percentage is far lower than what it actually is.

It is really easy to create leading questions and then come to predetermined conclusions. Regardless, what evidence do you have Trump 'broke a rule' or is that just your Trump Derangement Syndrome speaking?

a reply to: Southern Guardian

As long as team Trump is "winning" not much else seems to matter.

It's sad, Trump could remove almost all civilian rights and his team would still cheer him on, well except for guns, can't touch the guns, but other than that......

To me the key phrase in that statement is "Some Rules" which implies that there is some sort of predefined line in the minds of the Always Trump folks you mentioned, so I suppose the question is what "Rules" is he supposed to break?

Since 90% of whats going on politically around these parts seems to be status quo in my opinion, with a lot more of the jabbering and finger pointing, I guess i am hard pressed to see President Pumpkinhead as anything more then the biggest figurehead leader this nation has ever had. It's is this point, more than anything else, that truly bothers me when it comes to Trump supporters. As I thought I understood it, they wanted a President who wasn't beholden to the "Puppet Masters" who so many believe run things at some higher level. Which is what they got, in the sense that he is less a puppet president then an animatronic one operating on a predefined set of responses and actions.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

How low will things get,now another dolt with his skewed poll,come on now your acting like the 12 yr old liberal you are portraying,can't deny your ignorance

a reply to: Oldtimer2

So the poll is wrong?

Look at what I've posted in the OP. All the things complained about during the Obama administration, Trump has doubled down on. Yet silence? Nothing.

But the poll is wrong, skewed.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Maybe i'm misreading it, but wouldn't 66% or Republicans and 55% of republicans/independents add up to 121%?

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Right now the country is moving in the right direction under Trump. It has been over 2 decades since someone put America first and not partisan politics. You can post all the deranged drivel you want, but so far not one shred of real evidence has been uncovered and it isn't from liberals lack of trying.

So, I understand these OPs might be some sort of therapy for you, but they are ultimately completely meaningless. You are going to have to get used to Trump for at least three more years.

Enjoy the show.

That's what identity politics gets you rather than simply respecting the rights of the individuals around you.

People have very little interest in defending their own rights and liberties as American citizens. It is a legitimate question, at this point, to ask whether we even deserve to have rights and liberties if our apathy and ungratefulness is any indication.

I do not accept criminal activity or exiting constitutional constraints for the purposes of advancing a political agenda. Anyone who does support such thing is straight-up drunk as hell on some spiked Kool-Aid.

Of course, I take polls with a grain of salt. Especially political ones. But it isn't like I haven't seen this attitude among Americans in general. When it comes to political expediency not a whole lot is off the table. Politicians get away with all kinds of nasty crap because the political landscape allows it, and we like it this way.

Wouldn't be any such thing as "entertainment news" if you couldn't do this.

a reply to: Southern Guardian


That survey uses the exact phrase, "break some rules". "Rules" are not "Laws". In politics, rules are how things are conducted, or carried out.

For instance, it's a general rule that you don't get on your damn knees when the National Anthem is playing. To some deranged people, that's a rule that is OK to break. It's their choice, but most Americans are not in agreement with that sector of society.

On the other side of the coin, Donald Trump promised to break some political rules, to get the swamp drained and reverse the downward spiral initiated by the prior administration. Most Americans are in agreement with those objectives.

Frankly, I'm surprised that ONLY 66% of that polling group felt that it's OK for President Trump to "break some rules" to make America Even Greater. It must have been a sample of 2,019 random adults in New York, or California.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Sounds to me like these people would have been happier with hillary , she is the one who brakes all the rules.
Trump ran as the law and order candidate remember.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Rules and Laws are different....

Example: It used to be a "rule" that your wife had to be a certain sort of woman, not a former russian porn star and probable KGB agent.

a reply to: Thorneblood

Seems to me that the rule has been that the potus has to be a male.
So hillary would have been breaking that rule for sure.
I don't think that's a rule the trump supporters want broken though.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Pretty sure that's just cause of Hillary.....I mean really, all the other # aside, you can't spend twenty years campaigning for President like that. It got old and presumptuous real fast....

originally posted by: Thorneblood
a reply to: scraedtosleep

Pretty sure that's just cause of Hillary.....I mean really, all the other # aside, you can't spend twenty years campaigning for President like that. It got old and presumptuous real fast....

I agree with you.

I have no issue with a female President...just not a corrupt piece of excrement like Hillary. Besides, we now know that white and black males are terrible Presidents. Let’s give the girls a shot.

a reply to: Metallicus

This is what I hear coming from trump supporters here on ats.
I believe that the average ats trump supporter is not representative of them as a whole.
The people on this forum tend to be more educated.

In my daily life this is not the case. I hang out with friends that voted for trump and through them I met a lot of other trump supporters. The majority of them that I have interacted with in my real life believe that a women is incapable of being a good potus.

I wish that they were more like you guys, I really do.


Now just because people will get butt hurt if I don't say this: Yes the liberals here on ats are better people than the libs that I interact with on a daily bases. ATS does not represent the majority.

I think this was a rather leading question, designed to give results that can be interpreted and presented in a certain way to push a narrative.

If you ask the same kind of question in a different way then you can write a different narrative based on the outcome. Heck, if you interpret/spin the same results to the same question you can have a totally different narrative.

Who would disagree, for example, that, in fact, it is reasonable, desirable or even obligatory to break the rules if said rules are unjust or unfair?

Who would disagree that it is justifiable to break the rules if, by doing so, you achieve what most people would agree was a fairer, more positive and desirable outcome?

If you frame the question, or the results, in such a way that begs the question whether that, in order to do the right thing, you must break the rules, then 2 out of 3 agreeing with this statement seems reasonable and, one could then spin the results to suggest that 1 out of 3 people might actually be somewhat immoral.

If you ask ambiguous or non-specific questions then the results are open to interpretation and can be twisted to fit whichever narrative you want to push. In this case; trump supporters are immoral, dishonest and would blindly support the president regardless of whether he is breaking the 'rules' (which can be further understood as 'the law', despite the law and 'rules' being two completely different things, as already pointed out above).

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
I'm not even surprised. Who would be?

Some 66% of Republicans classified by the researchers as “Always Trump” agreed that “because things have gotten so far off track in this country, we need a leader who is willing to break some rules if that’s what it takes to set things right”, according to a random sample of 2,019 adults.

More than half (55%) of all Republicans or Republican-leaning independents hold the same view, although Trump’s sworn opponents disagree.

www.theguardian.com...

It's already apparent that Trump is continuing the status quo. Drone strikes are up under this administration and Trump is looking to loosen the limits surrounding their use. He's been supportive in the expanding surveillance powers of the NSA. The administration supports the Patriot Act and it's continuation. There's talk of the introduction of private spies on behalf of this administration. The administration's insistence in keeping Guantánamo Bay open. Trumps insistence that the NFL somehow stop players from kneeling and silenty protesting during the anthem.

This survey is accurate in my opinion. In fact I think the percentage is far lower than what it actually is.

This falls under Trump's definition of "fake news". NEXT!

a reply to: Southern Guardian

They should have asked if people wanted a president who lies....constantly ... often within the same speech..

And maybe if they like a president who is orange.

a reply to: Metallicus

How about an fbi investigation that has already indicted multiple people??

Obstruction of justice???