DOJ files arrest warrant for illegal immigrant acquitted in Kate Steinle case

a reply to: Thorneblood


Interesting point. If it is a false flag, then for whom?

California, maybe so that they could double down on gun control.
The Democrats, for the same reason as above. (this was back in 2015 when he was dropped off in San Fran)
The Foundation, possibly as a flashpoint for social unrest.

I would be interested in hearing (err? reading that is. I really don't want a bunch of people over at my house telling me all their ideas) your thoughts on this. It really is a good thought map that should be explored.

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I read that you think that this might have been to sway an racially charged election cycle, but that really doesn't fly all that well. If it was being used for the upcoming National Election Cycle, then pre-planning back in 2015 (while not unheard of) would show a level of complex staging for only a hand full of players (at that time there weren't that many people that were open abut running for Federal Office)

If this was to try and sway the 2016 election cycle, then who would it have benefited? On one hand it could have been used as a tool to support harder gun laws, which one side would have jumped all over to push. On the other hand, it could also have been used to push the immigration issue, which the other party would have jumped on. In either case this event could both help and hurt either parties.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: muzzleflash
I just nailed it right?

Not even close.

You just regurgitated the nonsense people actually believe that is not based in reality.

Which nonsense?

Because I just regurgitated two completely different paradigms - theirs and yours.

Please explain.

All of the above.

If this was the result of a hung jury would we know it?

a reply to: Metallicus

I'm waiting for the leftists to start a "Free Zarate" hashtag.

I think once released, he should bunk in any persons home that supported him.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I starred your post for finally providing me with some information but it sure sounds like a magic bullet theory.

I guess it's plausible but what are the "other possibilities" the forensics team considered?

I admit I'm very skeptical because you're one of the strongest left leaning people here and so therefore you have to take the side that this guy's innocent as a matter of party affiliation. While the right must take the side that he's guilty.

That makes it really hard for me to decide.
I'm sorta feeling like he was acquitted for political reasons though rather than evidentiary because he should have faced negligence/manslaughter.

If the D.A. knew that it was all an accident do you think they refused to prosecute the truth because they hoped he'd get acquitted? Or is this nation just full of idiots with great paying full time jobs? Both?

I dunno. If it really truly was a ricochet than it's definitely manslaughter and not murder.
I don't think anyone would intentionally do a ricochet shot like that - it's near impossible to pull off with any accuracy.

a reply to: Guyfriday

For whom? Trump and the GOP. Let's face it, FOX news did such a wonderful job convicting this guy in the press that a website that caters directly to conspiracy theorists is almost unanimously convinced he is guilty despite the questionable circumstances.

If the theme of this whole story, as you pointed out, had been gun control this entire thread would be filled with false flag posts.

If, as another poster mentioned, he was a regular homeless guy and not an illegal immigrant its entirely possible we wouldn't have even heard this story and its a damn certainty Kate's Law wouldnt even be a thing.

But it is what it is.

What I'm getting at, was the double standard of justice, Sanctuary Cities, verses the Law ... sometimes at odds. Still I think the mindset there allows a lot of vicious people to get away with murder. This guy I believe was one. Don't fret, it's just my opinion, and I'm not always right.a reply to: introvert

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: muzzleflash

Unlike what uneducated liberal gun grabbers would have you believe...guns don't just 'discharge'. It takes an actual person pulling an actual trigger. Maybe they just don't understand how guns work in the People's Republic of Kalifornia.

The defense didn't argue that the gun "just went off" but rather that it was accidental discharge. I don't know how I feel about it happening during the unwrapping of the gun. I'm far from an expert though. I do know that Sig Sauer recalled at least one model this year because it could unintentionally discharge if dropped (no trigger pull required by an actual person or otherwise).

How long is the pull and what's the required pressure for the model of gun in question? Does that change if the gun is cocked/half-cocked? Could the hammer have been caught on the shirt and pulled back and released with enough force to fire?

a reply to: Thorneblood


That would fit more then a few peoples narrative, but I don't by it since it would have it could have been played by either camp. Sure Trump used the issue well, but so could a few Democratic candidates too. I'm not sure either party is at fault here, if this is a false flag, then it's safe to say that it would be best used as a social destabilizer rather then as a talking point by either party.

I don't see how the GOP would have been able to silently release this guy in San Fran without somebody spilling the beans. Like wise, I'm not sure how the DNC could have done the same. As much as I'm not a fan of Feinstein (I'm pretty sure she killed Milk by accident) I really don't think she would have risked this type of event to occur in here district for election points.

I'm liking the false flag idea though, but I'm thinking that it may have been a failed flag more then anything.

a reply to: muzzleflash

It was definitely a ricochet. The round was flattened on one side. The crime scene investigators returned to the scene the and found the divot in the pier.

Fox News - Kate Steinle trial: Police testify bullet ricocheted, killed woman in San Francisco

Former Officer John Evans said he and other investigators working on the case found a “strike mark” on the pier’s concrete surface four days after the shooting of Steinle by a Mexican national who had been deported five times.

(notice how even when reporting the forensic details, the sentence ends "a Mexican national who had been deported five times." Wtf is that? Jesus that's thick bias)

Authorities returned to the popular pier four days later, after the bullet was found to be partially flattened, indicating it had ricocheted, he said.

a reply to: Guyfriday

Oh im not saying he was released for this purpose, but its one in a series of coincidences i find hard to swallow is all. He fits the image Trump described a month earlier after announcing his intention to run for President, was "living" in a state that was already at the center of a fierce debate on immigration. He then (presumably) manages to steal a federal agents loaded weapon and finds some mysterious pills under a park bench in just a matter of days before pulling off a "skip shot" that would make Deadshot envious.

Maybe he is just a guilty scumbag, maybe not, but the story we are being told just doesn't track for me.

a reply to: Thorneblood


I agree, it smells worse than Fisherman's Warf at low tide.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Thank you Ante, I have a really hard time telling what's true anymore because everyone allows politics and stereotypes to cloud everything.

I had very little info about this and you took the time to inform me so I could spend the day studying participles, infinitives, perfectives, etc in foreign languages.

Thank you.

After hearing all the facts I believe this guy is definitely not guilty of murder. A ricochet in this circumstance is negligent but in no way intentional or malicious.

Thank you for being such an ardent and zealous researcher and kind enough to help.

I wish everyone wasn't so damn politically bias though. My earlier sarcastic posts should reveal exactly how everyone depicted this to me on the surface and how BS that depiction really was (because it was political rather than fact based).

a reply to: theantediluvian

I also wanna say I trust you a lot more than most ppl here, despite the fact we disagree a lot.

a reply to: theantediluvian

The DA deserves to lose this case because they were too willing to play petty corrupt politics and KNOWINGLY overcharge this guy so they could lock him away forever.

The DA had and KNEW the evidence showed it was accidental yet still pushed the murder allegation.

How slimy and sleazy. These attorneys really need to stop this dishonorable crap and start seeking actual justice - and charging people appropriately.

This is actually an epidemic in the legal system. It's rare that a DA will pursue a 100% legitimate set of charges.

www.msn.com...

With illegal immigration sanctuary cities in vogue right now, against the general consensus by the other states could they be trying to change public opinion by making it look like he skated.....

The question I ask is:

Will San Francisco protect him from the federal government since they are a sanctuary city?

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: theantediluvian

The Department of Justice released a statement saying: "There is an existing federal detainer that requires this defendant to be remanded into the custody of US Marshals Service to be transported to the Western District of Texas pursuant to the arrest warrant."

JUSTICE SERVED!

Oh, wait. Not quite.

They'll probably tell us he escaped...

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: theantediluvian

The DA deserves to lose this case because they were too willing to play petty corrupt politics and KNOWINGLY overcharge this guy so they could lock him away forever.

The DA had and KNEW the evidence showed it was accidental yet still pushed the murder allegation.

How slimy and sleazy. These attorneys really need to stop this dishonorable crap and start seeking actual justice - and charging people appropriately.

This is actually an epidemic in the legal system. It's rare that a DA will pursue a 100% legitimate set of charges.

What??? The perp's first story that he was down there shooting at sea lions...The last story was that the gun 'fired itself' 3 times and ultimately killed that young lady...The creep was a felon...A 5 time illegal alien felon in possession of a firearm that was involved in a homocide, while he was holding onto it...And he walks...

a reply to: muzzleflash
As I posted in the other thread on like page 7 or 8, Double jeopardy does not attach when it involves a different sovereign. Although frankly, I believe he will feel the absolute remorse of his actions and commit suicide by hanging while in prison.