Good Guy w/ Gun Stops Bad Guy w/ Gun, Lenexa Costco

originally posted by: cynicalheathen
It should be noted that Costco's membership agreement prohibits guns being brought in by members.

It should be noted that store policy doesn't necessarily make carrying a concealed weapon illegal on their premises. Here in KY, I can still carry in there unless they tell me to put my firearm in my car or to leave the store/property. If I refuse either one, then I can be arrested on trespassing charges (or something similar), but that's it.

I carry every time I go to Costco and I've never had a problem.

It should also be noted that...well, here's the policy according to Costco:

Costco policy prohibits firearms to be brought into the warehouse, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers.

Always best to read it from the source--it allows authorized law enforcement to carry, and this off-duty LEO is authorized by state law.

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
More guns does not automatically equal more safety.

Nothing in life is automatic, and as with anything, things that affect one's life should be accompanied with proper training.

More contraceptives doesn't automatically equal less pregnancies, either, but most of the "accidents" are attributable to preventable user error due to lack of training.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ketsuko

Off duty cops got guns, so should everyone. Because the odds of that cop happening to be there were even lower than the store being robbed at gunpoint.

The odds stores would continue to get robbed in the face of open carry is about zero. That would be like a robber trying to rob the police department.

More guns does not automatically equal more safety.

Yes it does, not only deterring criminals in the first place, but unless they are killers too, they rather not get into a gunfight for the amount of money in the register. Of course we don't have much data on crimes being deterred, because they never happened.

Usually robberies occur where there are no guns.

By your logic, Chicago should be the safest place on earth...or gang controlled territory in LA, or a warzone.

More guns does NOT equal more safety.

I would love it if you can show me where more guns means more safety.

Safe for the criminals, you mean?
The criminal element being the only ones with the guns, law abiding citizens don't carry, lol.

Not only, the criminals are the same ones selling your kids drugs, they don't have your best interests at heart.

No...He said that more guns equals more safety...He didn't say more "legally owned guns" or "guns locked up in gun safes."

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ketsuko

Off duty cops got guns, so should everyone. Because the odds of that cop happening to be there were even lower than the store being robbed at gunpoint.

The odds stores would continue to get robbed in the face of open carry is about zero. That would be like a robber trying to rob the police department.

More guns does not automatically equal more safety.

Yes it does, not only deterring criminals in the first place, but unless they are killers too, they rather not get into a gunfight for the amount of money in the register. Of course we don't have much data on crimes being deterred, because they never happened.

Usually robberies occur where there are no guns.

By your logic, Chicago should be the safest place on earth...or gang controlled territory in LA, or a warzone.

More guns does NOT equal more safety.

I would love it if you can show me where more guns means more safety.

Safe for the criminals, you mean?
The criminal element being the only ones with the guns, law abiding citizens don't carry, lol.

Not only, the criminals are the same ones selling your kids drugs, they don't have your best interests at heart.

No...He said that more guns equals more safety...He didn't say more "legally owned guns" or "guns locked up in gun safes."

You misquoted or mispoke there, read posters post again.

originally posted by: dasman888

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: intrptr

I know both Missouri and Kansas are concealed carry, but I think Missouri is open carry too. I've seen people packing openly on this side of the line.

Kansas is all Constitutional Carry now. You can still get a permit, but don't have to have one (useful if traveling, to states that reciprocate), and can carry open or concealed, most places. Some restrict open, but they can't restrict concealed now. Not sure on bars, or schools, or churches.

I'm in Kansas. If businesses don't want guns on their premises, they MUST post obvious signage at all entrances in a manner that makes it plainly visible.

I shop at that Costco... but have no recollection if, or what, any of their signage says... but these days, I'd almost be inclined to carry concealed even in a "no guns" posted business. These people got VERY very lucky that the KCKPD officer was on premises.

These days, I believe the once-legal signage isn't even allowed anymore, and they can ask, but not demand, and the most they could do is ask someone to leave. Not 100% sure there, but 90%.

I know I'd either not shop in a place like that, or I'd carry anyway, concealed, and be ready just in case! Very lucky, indeed, all considered!! What they don't know won't hurt anyone, and could save lives.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Oh, I know the policy, and ignore it every time I go to Costco. Concealed is concealed. If you do it right, nobody knows. And I know that I'm not the only one. If the local Costco started pulling memberships due to members carrying guns, they'd quickly have no members. That just is the way it is in the Deep South.

Just pointing out the effectiveness of Costco's policy in banning guns on their property. It sure kept the perpetrator from doing so.

Luckily for Costco, a law abiding concealed carrier happened to be there as well.

Gun free zones sure do a good job of preventing gun crime.

a reply to: cynicalheathen

Agreed...

I would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.