Trump destroying Nuclear agreement with Iran.

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I'm no fan of the right or the left so be aware I'm one of those horrible people who think governments should be a little capitalist and a little socialist.

That being said, Trump is a moron. He's jsut a #ty person in general but his inability to listen to those against him or even those for him speak volumes on his condition as a leader. He's not interested in being a good leader, he's interested in living the Alexander lifestyle he thinks he's the head of.

By changing the terms of a signed upon agreement (one that the world at large has been monitoring and generally agrees is being honored ) he's not only undermining the word of the US when it comes to international deals and agreements but also sets a horrible standard where the government has supreme authority to change agreements on a whim leaving the non governmental party with no recourse but to agree or risk a totalitarian fist.

I Mean seriously think about this, If you signed a lease or any agreement for that matter we expect that agreement to be something that must be adhered to by both parties under penalty of law. If the person leasing you the car lets say then comes back and wants to away your car because you drove to another town, something they decided the don't want, you'd hope your interests are protected so you can say no we have an agreement and that's that. But that's not what's happening. We're squelching on a deal and more so than that we're furthering the stigma that the US can't be trusted and it only drives internal US relations further south, giving more ammunition to extremists and furthers the idea that there is no peaceful solution to the US government because they can't be trusted to hold up their end of the bargain. (Not that I believe that anyway, I'm not one of the assholes that voted for Trump or Clinton).

I don't really want to get into the regional stability issues, nothing good will come from this and it's just a set up to further strengthen the us vs them axis of evil bull# Americans are so fond of. I tend to think (just do to being an american I'd wager) that Americans tend to be more worried about appearances then substance so I'm hoping bringing up how we look in this case will do more to strike a cord then bringing up how this will inevitably lead to further determent to the Mideast political climate and stresses.

I've already seen responses in the vein of " But it's Iran and their evil so it's OK" which is just sick. It doesn't matter how evil or #ty someone is, you act as the better person by being human to them anyway. Frankly Iran is just a Muslim Israel anyway. It's theocracy and highly advanced regional power that's well educated and wealthy and basically an apartheid state due to the way minorities are treated. I don't want Iran setting policy and more than I want Israel or the Vatican to set it. But when we make agreements with anyone we need to hold up our end of the bargain just as we expect anyone else to do.

If you really want to get why America is so F'd up then look no further then the people the right and left choose to allow into power. They become the roll models youth looking to lead look up to and set the standards for how everyone views their government. the right and the left have got all the backing when it comes to choosing leaders and they are incapable of electing good leaders or holding anyone accountable that's on their own team.

tl:dr
Trumps dumb, nixing the agreement makes us look bad and sets a horrible precedent for future agreements and how trustworthy we are as a nation.

This became more of a rant then I was anticipating. Crucify my if this should go in the mud pit, but to me this is just a further example of Americas political lunacy.

a reply to: nemonimity

From what I heard on the radio; Trump did not abandon the deal. Congress put the loophole in that he had to "recertify the deal". He is suppose to recertify the deal every 90 days. Trump only refused to recertify the deal. Thus, congress is suppose to now decide what to do. What Trump did means nothing. He only did what he is allowed to do. He is only not recertifying the deal. It is congress's turn now.

a reply to: feldercarb

He did put some other factors into play that really has nothing to do with the deal but will try to cripple or at the least slow Iran down as far as a regional power . SF has a piece up "TRUMP ANNOUNCES NEW “STRATEGY” ON IRAN. US DESIGNATES IRGC AS TERRORIST GROUP" southfront.org... Its a kind of funny picture of the kettle calling the pot black .

This is just another one of those personal things, as the deal is Obama administration this plotted revoking is out of personal disgust, more than anything I feel. Citing Obama as weak and himself being strong and determined says it all

Trump is possessed by the compulsion to undue anything even remotely related to Obama in some pathetic & petty attempt to destroy his legacy. And all he is doing is destroying his own in the process.

This is a prime example as to why we need to ditch the mindset of these pathological politics. Otherwise, like The Joker said to Batman whilst danging upside down from a rope, "I think you and I are destined to do this forever."

a reply to: nemonimity

The deal is bull.

We in Canada have been subjected to twice as many nuclear inspections since Iran made this deal than Iran were themselves.

Iran still chants 'Death to America! Death to Israel!' at weekly prayer meetings, and they have stated their intentions many times over to destroy Israel.

They cannot be trusted while their current leadership stands.

originally posted by: sooth
Trump is possessed by the compulsion to undue anything even remotely related to Obama in some pathetic & petty attempt to destroy his legacy. And all he is doing is destroying his own in the process.

This is a prime example as to why we need to ditch the mindset of these pathological politics. Otherwise, like The Joker said to Batman whilst danging upside down from a rope, "I think you and I are destined to do this forever."

Like Obama wasn't obsessed with fundamentally transforming the United States? Sorry, but Obama tried every which way he could to subvert and destroy our Constitutional Republic. Trump is doing nothing more than trying to "right the ship" and get our Republic back on track.

The title of your post is your opinion not the title of your linked news article. Consequently you are being very misleading

The title of your link. “Trump says Iran violating nuclear agreement, threatens to pull out of deal”

a reply to: feldercarb

That's incorrect, Here's a quote from Trump taken from the article

"In the event we are not able to reach a solution working with Congress and our allies, then the agreement will be terminated. It is under continuous review and our participation can be canceled by me as President at any time."

If congress doesn't do what he wants then it's executive order time. It only goes to prove he's no different from any other republican or democrat and shirks the same checks and balances he claims to want to uphold.

Tillerson: Trump to ‘decertify’ Iran nuke deal, ask Congress to impose new terms

“This is a much broader strategic approach than has been taken on Iran in the past and it is built around the intent that we will stay in the JCPOA, but the president is going to decertify the deal,” Tillerson said.

Under an agreement between former President Barack Obama and Congress — called the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act (INARA) — the White House is mandated to report to Capitol Hill lawmakers every 90 days on whether Tehran is honoring its commitments. It was designed as an oversight mechanism Congress would have over the deal.

After Trump grudgingly certified that Iran was abiding by the deal in July, he instructed his national security team to conduct an interagency review process on its options on the nuclear accord. “Now that we’ve completed that review … the president has come to the conclusion that he cannot certify INARA,” Tillerson said.

Not exactly how you paint it.

Trump destroying Nuclear agreement with Iran

He's dumping a "deal" that shouldn't have been made in the first place.

a reply to: whywhynot

As I stated It turned into more of a ran then I was planning. I don't however think the title is misleading. it just fails to illustrate that it's my POV on the subject which is a valid point.

Trumps dumb, nixing the agreement makes us look bad and sets a horrible precedent for future agreements and how trustworthy we are as a nation.

I could be more succinct if I tried.

That's pretty much it though. What purpose does it serve? The only gain I see are other partnerships and people rethinking them because of the WH.

From Trump's speech just now:

After months of anticipation, President Trump on Friday said his administration "cannot and will not" certify Iran's compliance with the Iran nuclear agreement to Congress, as he set out his plan for dealing with the Iranian regime.

The president, from the White House's Diplomatic Reception Room, announced the U.S. will remain in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) reached under Obama in 2015, but he will not certify to Congress that Iran is in compliance under the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act (INARA) of 2015. Instead, he's looking to Congress to revise the INARA, and to ally nations in the JCPOA to come up with a new set of restrictions on Iran to coincide with the JCPOA. The president accused Iran of not living up to the "spirit" of the original deal.

"Based on the factual record that I have put forward, I am announcing today that we cannot and will not make this certification," Mr. Trump said. "We will not continue down a path whose predictable conclusion is more violence, more terror, and the very real threat of Iran's nuclear breakout. That is why I am directing my administration to work closely with Congress and our allies to address the deal's many serious flaws so that the Iranian regime can never threaten the world with nuclear weapons."

Link.

a reply to: nemonimity

So you're not going to post what our deal with Iran is? You just hate Trump? Do you understand the deal with Iran and why it is not in our best interest? Will you take the time to go and find the wording of the deal that we made with them, and post it here? So maybe Talk about the deal and not just how much you hate Trump?

a reply to: nightbringr

Your opinion of the deal is that it is not good, taht doesn't mean the deal is bull. That deal is an agreement of terms decided on by the parties involved. No one was coerced into the agreement. It was something that all parties involved settled on so that everyone's interest could be served as well as could be accommodated. It's been said before but a good negotiation should leave everyone a little angry. No one got a big straw in the deal so I'd be interested to hear how it's a bad deal if you've got the gumption to explain.

Just because I think renting is worse than owning doesn't mean that the deals people make for renting are bull, just that I don't agree that it's the best way to go.

a reply to: Lurker1

If You'd like to expand on why it shouldn't have been made I'd love to hear why.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Sure thing, I read it back when it's past but haven't read it at all recently. If you'd like to point out how it's a bad agreement I'm all ears.


Here's the link to the agreement:
apps.washingtonpost.com... -text-of-the-iran-nuclear-deal/1651/

But since it's already been ratified and is in place, I don't see how the burden is on me to somehow explain to you what it's all about there's a lot of discussion on here already about the agreement so I feel like that would be rehashing old posts.

I posted this here because the issue is with American political nuttiness and the president's flagrant disregard for agreements in place, not to educate anyone on the inner workings of the Iran Nuclear deal.

You all still do not see what he is doing do you? You are all so blind in your hate of the 'Cheeto' that it clouds what is actually happening.

He is doing again, like he did with immigration, taxes, Obamacare, the wall, everything....he is trying to send it to Congress to make the right choice fro the people. Not for him...the people. They are not and it is showing the RINO's for who they are. McCain is a prime example. They are all on a very thin line in 2018 elections.

It is not the POTUS not getting things done..again it is the obstruction from those who should be doing for the good of the people and instead they are hating for the sake of support by their benefactors or those who donate. Why are his cabinet picks not complete???? Because you have people like Pelosi and Schumer and Waters. People who do not give one F about you, me or the country. It is to them about money, power and posturing.

By sending this to Congress, and they do nothing about it, he can then take action. He should.

F Iran. Name one thing they have done for us in the last 30 years? Name one? The Iran deal was a joke and as Trump puts it a horrible deal.

a reply to: nemonimity

As I stated, very misleading almost to the point of click bait