Where was the armed Mandalay Security? Casino security has private "SWAT" like teams

We've all probably seen Oceans 11 (and sequels) and even if the casino's don't have the level of security seen in the movies, I'm sure that they have on-site security teams, a full armory, and emergency protocols between the MGM Grand and Mandalay bay (and possibly Luxor) should any of the casino's come under attack, robbery, hostages, etc. If someone were to attack the "count room" or their vault, I would think that there would be an armed response from the internal security of any of these casino's.

So what I want to know is why wasn't their armed quick response team triggered to take care of automatic gun fire within their building? From what I have seen, not ONE casino/hotel activated any armed response TEAM. They may have had some armed security guards running around, but not what is expected from these establishments. I've seen armored trucks that have $1-$2 million that have security guards armed more than those at the casino's.

The fact that the act was allowed to continue seems to indicate that the casino's knew more about what was going on. They were either told to stand down long before this initiated or is it possible that they were kept in place guarding the count rooms as they thought the other shootings were a diversion?

I'm wondering if there was some kind of "Oceans 11" type heist planned at the same time to target the casino's while this shooting was happening and the REAL security was left in place to guard the count rooms.

It seems that the victims have a strong case for a lawsuit of negligence against the casino/hotel. Many of these hotels basically help people hostage during and after the event and would not permit people to leave, moved everyone from the casino floor (as per statements from people at the Belagio, Tropacana and I think Mandalay). The hotels are allowed to inform people of a threat and close parts of their property, but they are NOT allowed to lock them into their property and not allow them to leave, especially for hours after the incident had been contained.

The more that is revealed, the more we see that people are acting very strange on all sides of this event - citizens, hotel employees, police (local and fed), etc. That video of the 6-7 man armed team going through the casino floor pointing guns at customers (telling them to put their hands up) is mind blowing!

a reply to: DigginFoTroof



So you are basing your premise on the movie Oceans 11?

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

I doubt they respond to full auto (or what sounds like it).

Let's assume they get paid 17 dollars an hour, I don't expect them to risk their lives while not having the proper training to deal with a rat's nest.

Also, their has to be a level they have to hand over to the "proper" authorities. There could also be legal ramifications for mudding up a situation like this.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Remember what the casino did when the heist went down in Ocean's 11?

Yea, they called the cops. Because the casinos will point blank tell you their guys aren't trained and equipped to deal with something like that. And there's this little thing called liability that causes them put pretty substantial restrictions and what security can and can't do.

Besides, unless the vault was being robbed then 'so what'?

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

These are very good questions. I have more but it's a bit of an overload right now.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Besides, unless the vault was being robbed then 'so what'?

Are you okay bud?

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof


The more that is revealed, the more we see that people are acting very strange on all sides of this event - citizens, hotel employees, police (local and fed), etc.

There is definitely something either BADLY BROKEN or being SEVERELY COVERED UP by the top authorities in charge of the Las Vegas massacre investigation.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

I'm talking about the logic of the casino planners. We're talking about heist cinema script concepts, now if there were a big casino vault heist, I'd imagine they'd be out of their minds to protect the loot. Some asshole up on the 32nd floor getting the casino international press coverage, meh.

One interested in this topic might also watch 3000 Miles To Graceland (2001). Sinister & shady characters, casino heist, Elvis, people getting mowed down, casino security with long rifles, plot twists.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Protecting all the money they have, just damn.

a reply to: carewemust

It's almost like the devil has revealed himself. I've never seen people in power look so scared. I may be a little melodramatic but the whole LV thing is possibly the stupidest thing 'they' could do right now.

I think they've slipped up this time. How many more lies will they churn out to cover up the lies that they told us before?

Side thought: Why now?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the link. I will try and find the full film.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Are you suggesting that there may have been a casino-loot heist, at the same time as the wild shooting?

Sad truth that IgNoBl said: Casino security ain't there to protect the yahoos in the hotel, but just the loot.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

It seems like someone at the top of government is withholding info from these officials, but they have to say something at the briefings. They're very frustrated.

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: DigginFoTroof



So you are basing your premise on the movie Oceans 11?

No - Only using that as an example of people robbing a casino - in the generality of robbing a casino.

As far as the armed response teams, I've read more comments than I care to think about since this has happened and have read private security forums as well as security outfitter forums/company blogs/conference/expo sites over the years. There are blackhat /defcon like expos' and conferences for security personnel where they target Casino's, Banks, and other companies that deal with large sums of money as customers.

From what I have read, many ex military (combat vets) work as security members and they have offsite training that deals with similar situations that SWAT deals with and some ex-SWAT members go to private security specifically b/c they have the experience and background that these companies are looking for.

Since the shooting, many private security operators have come out talking about the odd lack of response stating they either have personal experience with these companies (large casino's), have trained with other private security, work for a company that provides personell for this exact reason, etc.


As far as the "so what" about the full auto in the room. IDK where to go with that one. I'm still trying to figure out why a make-shift SWAT team was used to breach - where 2 were K9 officers, but they brought no K9's with them. This is exactly the purpose for dogs - sending them into an unknown room/area where they don't know where the perp is (especially if they are armed). It seems the lack of dogs is more of a tell that this may have been somewhat staged (to what degree, IDK) as having attack dogs could lead to many issues if not handled properly if this was "crisis acting" or a controlled false flag.

Sorry for the short post....

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Take it for what it's worth

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Uhhhh this ain't Hollyweird. This is real life. As other say, as long as the money is safe, security ain't doing anything.

Another question I've heard is, after raining an untold number of rounds down range, and having what 100 different guns according to MSM, WHY would this guy not bang it out with the cops???

Nope, neat and tidy suicide. There's no doubt in my mind he was a pasty, all the indicators are there....he worked or Lockheed Martin for christ's sake.

I happened to be in Las Vegas 2 weeks before shooting,the security in a casino is like in a prison,I was harrased for cutting across an empty table,the place was empty,the security in casino are usually ex police or ex military,little more sophisticated then guards who work doors,had to be inside job

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

So what I want to know is why wasn't their armed quick response team triggered to take care of automatic gun fire within their building?

Even though gun fire was originating in the hotel, it was directed outside it, hundreds of yards away. Additionally from high up in the hotel, at night, from two different facing sides of the building, with different caliber weapons. Very well thought out rain of confusion designed to thwart security as much as possible, as long as possible.