Interesting new Vegas shooting detail emerges from Sheriff

originally posted by: trollz the official story is starting to fall apart.

they have a habit of doing so.

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

I know these quotes are originally from October 2-3 articles, but how can the news media misquote Lombardo so badly, regarding the 1st responding officers were being fired upon by the shooter? Now, the story is that actually happened to the security guard and maintenance man? 

-- A team of six officers spoke with security at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, where Paddock was staying, and searched the hotel floor-by-floor Sunday night before they found Paddock's room, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters.
-- Paddock, 64, fired at the officers through the door, Lombardo said. A SWAT team broke down the door, but Paddock had already killed himself, Lombardo said.

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Police entered the hotel to begin working their way to the shooter's sniper nest.
"A team of six officers that approached security, they went up the elevators after discussing the situation with the security and obtaining intelligence," Lombardo said.
"And they checked each floor by floor until they located where they believe to be the room," the sheriff said.
High up on the hotel's residential floors, a first responder radioed in: "I'm inside the Mandalay Bay on the 31st floor, I can hear automatic fire coming from one floor ahead... one floor above us."
"Subsequently they approached the room, received gunfire, they backed off and SWAT responded," Lombardo said.
Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said once the first responders had "isolated this individual to the two rooms, our SWAT team used the explosive breaching to go in and confront the individual."

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a reply to: CajunMetal

Holy #, really? I did not know that. That kind of seems unfathomable. Even a motel 6 records their hallways. The shooter must have known this then because of they had cameras, they would have seen Campos get shot right away.

a reply to: matafuchs

I think you will find the stock market has been robbed, just like 9/11 disobedientmedia.com...

a reply to: nicevillegrl

there were at LEAST 3 shooters, two in casino, and at least one within 250 yds

I was just looking at photos and noticed that the photo of Paddock at the bar has a scar on his throat - looks like the number 13. The suicide photo clearly shows his throat and there is not a number 13 scar, no scar of any kind that I could see.

a reply to: LondonMan

I don't necessarily disagree. I am just attempting to "explain" why they would need these new timeline changes (Campos being shot BEFORE the massacre outside) and additions (this new Steven Schuck) who was shot at inside - down the hallway. In other words, these new storylines were necessary to "explain" why some of the shots sounded far away.

I mean, there has got to be a "good reason" they are giving out these changed / new details. As these details make the story look hugely hole-y, they wouldn't give them unless they HAD TO for some reason (to try and explain away something else)... IMHO.

a reply to: JaeG14

I see one difference: the hotel may not be happy about publishing photos that show their guests inside the hotel, while a camera that shows public place shows something anyone could have seen.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: intrptr
They would know not to touch the body, causing contamination of forensics.

As I'm not a police officer I don't really know how things happen (where are all the ATS LEOs when we need one?), but if they were entering a room where they were expecting to find a shooter they wouldn't think much of it as a crime scene when they entered. That's why I said before somewhere (maybe on another forum, this is getting confusing) that the revolver could have been kicked out of his hand by the police, as I think that's standard practice when they enter a scene where they are expecting to find an armed person, they first secure the area then they worry about the contamination of the crime scene.

At least that's how I would do it, instead of assuming a guy on the ground with a gun in his hand was dead, better to deal with the contamination of the crime scene than being shot.

Right, where's shamrock6 when we really need him? Someone activate the Bat Signal...

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: JaeG14

I see one difference: the hotel may not be happy about publishing photos that show their guests inside the hotel, while a camera that shows public place shows something anyone could have seen.

Valid point and I agree. However it's not uncommon to see casino security footage. Even for something like the fight Tupac got into on the night he was shot, there's video of the fight happening and all the commotion. That's just one example but I know I've seen film inside a casino many times.

However one huge aspect is liability, Mandalay Bay is likely facing tons of lawsuits so perhaps they are less inclined to share at this juncture.

originally posted by: nicevillegrl

ADDED: Schuck says something hit him in the back BUT he was not shot. ?

Flying chunk of sheetrock or other debris, probably.

originally posted by: RickyD
All new to me and as the article says...one more piece to the puzzle. One thing did stand out. If there was really 200 rounds they found and counted them all really fast...or is that an estimate?

Edit...I mean 200...its a really specific number. You can only really shoot 200 rounds in a small handful of mag configurations and the most popular and what I saw most of was 30rnd ones. Who knows maybe they were able to tell some how...just stood out to me.

Or just two, 100 round barrel clips.

Take a look at this video. Starting at 2:18 someone actually zooms in on Paddocks room the night of the shooting. You see the one winow broken out but when he zooms out i cant make out the second window. Anyone see it?

www.youtube.com...

Edit:Actually i think its just the angle of the camera is why you cant see the other window but its still the first video that shows the broken window that night

originally posted by: JaeG14

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: JaeG14

I see one difference: the hotel may not be happy about publishing photos that show their guests inside the hotel, while a camera that shows public place shows something anyone could have seen.

Valid point and I agree. However it's not uncommon to see casino security footage. Even for something like the fight Tupac got into on the night he was shot, there's video of the fight happening and all the commotion. That's just one example but I know I've seen film inside a casino many times.

However one huge aspect is liability, Mandalay Bay is likely facing tons of lawsuits so perhaps they are less inclined to share at this juncture.

The Casino itself is going to have cameras covering everything! The hallways do not. I would speculate that even when the Casino footage is released its not something the Casino itself wants to do. They do not like giving any details of their security away. So I would expect that we will see some footage of Paddock on the gaming floor playing machines but that's really not relevant to the investigation other than to say he was there at a specific time.

originally posted by: riiver

originally posted by: nicevillegrl

ADDED: Schuck says something hit him in the back BUT he was not shot. ?

Flying chunk of sheetrock or other debris, probably.

Which we'll never see evidence of. Even the door only looked to have a dozen holes by most posters' count.
200 rounds blasts down a hallway you'd expect there'd be chewed up carpet or walls down that hallway...

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: trollz
Where oh where are the 200 bullet holes.

In the official story

HA!

a reply to: nicevillegrl

The new timeline from a LE perspective eliminates a second shooter senario. Unfortunately, it places 2 individuals on the floor prior. Calling down to security that there is a an active shooter on the 32nd floor would give all three a way out(they would know where LE is aproaching) but for the two they have an alibi once Paddock is gone. Two hundred rounds and a leg wound, why would he not open the door and finish him off. He had superior firepower. Paddock could have been dead the whole time, cameras placed, door secure, smash out Windows, fire some rounds down the hallway and call down to security, shoot crowd, shoot self in leg then wait for LE to hustle you out safely.

a reply to: riiver

Duh! That makes sense. Thanks for pointing that out. :-)

originally posted by: Dragoon01

originally posted by: JaeG14

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: JaeG14

I see one difference: the hotel may not be happy about publishing photos that show their guests inside the hotel, while a camera that shows public place shows something anyone could have seen.

Valid point and I agree. However it's not uncommon to see casino security footage. Even for something like the fight Tupac got into on the night he was shot, there's video of the fight happening and all the commotion. That's just one example but I know I've seen film inside a casino many times.

However one huge aspect is liability, Mandalay Bay is likely facing tons of lawsuits so perhaps they are less inclined to share at this juncture.

The Casino itself is going to have cameras covering everything! The hallways do not. I would speculate that even when the Casino footage is released its not something the Casino itself wants to do. They do not like giving any details of their security away. So I would expect that we will see some footage of Paddock on the gaming floor playing machines but that's really not relevant to the investigation other than to say he was there at a specific time.

What is incredibly relevant to the investigation is, did SP do this completely alone or did he have any help? Well, he got those guns up there somehow. Whether by bellhop or carrying suitcases on his own, or perhaps with someone he was working with... the answer to that is absolutely on the lobby/casino/elevator footage. I read an article today that says they allowed him use of the service elevator since he had high roller privileges. Film of this is absolutely pertinent to prove or disprove the lone gunman theory.

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Aeshma
a reply to: netwarrior

Mmmmmmmm i beg to differ, 5.56 is a very fast, very small round. I do belive it would not cause a great deal of splintering. Photo quality is too poor to really tell if there is any splintering, would you agree with that fact?

I believe they are outgoing rounds.
If they are incoming rounds, who were they shooting at? The shooter was already dead on their arrival, so they say.
When I heard the radio call to dispatch from the team on the floor, the guy was whispering that they were ready to breach the door....they never said they fired rounds through the door.
They couldn't possibly know who or how many people were in that room, unless you got trigger happy cops, they didn't fire through the door.

Right. If the bad guy was dead before they got there then there would be no sounds coming from the inside of the room, how would they know where to shoot? I agree those are exit holes. That door accounts for about ten...190 to go