Cloning Human Beings

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

I get an impression you had a bad experience from an encounter in the past - with some group or cult and that it still hangs around. If so, kiss goodbye to it and let it go. It sounds crazy but negative experiences are the most instructive really for without them, it would be impossible to move forward. One's enemies are actually one's best friends for they act like mirrors and reveal one's weaknesses and faults. From there, one can then progress more and also move at a faster rate, provided one accepts the lessons wholeheartedly of course.

What is this anti-spiritual rant all about? Are you implying that Divinity is responsible for the ills you see around you? True, things are breaking down and an overhaul is necessary. The world is on the brink of a spiritual paradigm shift. In evolutionary terms, it is shifting to a new frequency, a vibration or density that is more spiritual. A quantum leap yes, and we will witness this in the next 8-13 yrs, vast changes that are going to be radical and earth shattering, in the prophetic words of a world teacher.

Divinity is everywhere, not just "upstairs", and it is never faraway. People do not realize that they are actually "swimming" in it [formless energy, often called akasha in the literature]. It is both inside and outside the body. There is no place where it is not present. Think of fish swimming in water - they are probably not aware that they are swimming in the watery medium. When one starts to become aware of it... wow, the magic begins.

One doesn't have to become an initiate to bridge the "gap" between SELF/self. It was intended as an example. The terms devic and asura are not helpful here. The SELF is the Divine essence which we really are. The self is a fragment of SELF that has become entrenched in/oriented towards the physical and the world. This is why it has been called the prodigal son. Picture an iceberg and you'll understand the relationship better. The part above the water is the self, which is only a tenth of the total submerged mass likened to the SELF.

The self has been called many names - the nuisance factor, the personality, the rebel, God playing the fool, etc. But without it, this self, there is no hope of returning home to its Father/Mother, the SELF. So, this body-mind complex is the only capital one has, enabling one to make the journey home. But the journey is inward (for the Kingdom is WITHIN, that is, via the mind). Between the SELF & self, there are 5 subtle planes, making a total of 2 + 5 = 7 in all.

You will literally have to fight with all the obstacles, undivine forces etc to make the journey home. There are plenty of myths illustrating this - think Jason & the Argonauts. The treasure (the pearl) they are questing is the SELF. Which is why the SELF/Divinity has generously provided authorized help - institutionalized bodies of all sorts to help provide safe passage, eg the 5 main religions [exoteric], plus all sorts of esoteric organizations, and one of their typical protocols is the use of initiation rites, membership, certification, etc. Baptism, for example, is initiation albeit exoteric in form. From time to time, prophets, teachers, gurus, guides are enlisted and despatched, esp when the established institutions fail in their duties due to corruption, decay, etc.

You do not appear to have experienced the numinous and mystical - contact with the Divine Self. Just one drop of THAT is enough to get and galvanize your whole attention [= love] and win your wholehearted devotion too. Trust me, nothing can come close or measure up to it. Nothing, absolutely nothing, can ever take its place. And yes, it's something to die for!

a reply to: Rextiberius

Hi Rex Tiberius,

Appologies for my bad mood the other day, I get cranky sometimes.

I get an impression you had a bad experience from an encounter in the past - with some group or cult and that it still hangs around. If so, kiss goodbye to it and let it go. It sounds crazy but negative experiences are the most instructive really for without them, it would be impossible to move forward. One's enemies are actually one's best friends for they act like mirrors and reveal one's weaknesses and faults. From there, one can then progress more and also move at a faster rate, provided one accepts the lessons wholeheartedly of course.

Yeah your right, a bad experience. I used to work for Upstairs untill one day I asked a small favour in return for years of selfless occult/spiritual work. A girl I didn't know in life was missing and still alive. Long story cut short; the callous indifference of the Masters was a real eye-opener. I put my existence and all the good will earned through years of selfless work on the negotiating table and they did nothing except delay untill too late.

I felt her final heartbeats and watched her die from afar and could do nothing. She didn't want to die and only twenty years old.

So I vowed never to help Upstairs ever again. That took them by surprise and they don't like it. Seven years now they have tried to bring me back to working for the spiritual world. I say; "get lost" to the western masters and saints, and also the eastern ones too. They don't give up. So I go about making it very expensive for them to pursue me; I destroy the spiritual and esoteric infrastructure that connects this world with the higher. They have learned to largely leave me alone now.

It is said that; "When the student is ready, he will come."

A tortuous wait for the aspirants.

If one wants to meet the masters, saints and initiates, a shortcut is the battlefield. Moira, Khootumi, QuanYin and more.

I have looked after the young lady ever since I failed to save her. I have learned a lot about the higher in battle. I also know the so-called lower worlds and the Beings who live there both human and otherwise. Those worlds are not what they say they are.

(Wry smile) so "yes" a bad experience.

Yet to stop this war, they only need give a certain innocent young lady the choice of her life back.

This might sound fanciful, but I know what can, and cannot be done. Apparently, this does not suit the masters of the wisdom and their higher ups.

What is this anti-spiritual rant all about? Are you implying that Divinity is responsible for the ills you see around you? True, things are breaking down and an overhaul is necessary. The world is on the brink of a spiritual paradigm shift. In evolutionary terms, it is shifting to a new frequency, a vibration or density that is more spiritual. A quantum leap yes, and we will witness this in the next 8-13 yrs, vast changes that are going to be radical and earth shattering, in the prophetic words of a world teacher.

I look at the higher worlds, and the lower, and those people upstairs do nothing to address their mistakes of the past that brings so much suffering to the "lower" worlds of life.

Unfortunately for the "lower" they are not thought of in the new paradigm. Wonderful for some, yet when I ask the higher ups face to face; ". . .and what of the lower worlds? What is in it for them? - silence.

Divinity I can see and feel in the countenances of those who know it, knowing what I know, I am not impressed.

One doesn't have to become an initiate to bridge the "gap" between SELF/self. It was intended as an example. The terms devic and asura are not helpful here. The SELF is the Divine essence which we really are. The self is a fragment of SELF that has become entrenched in/oriented towards the physical and the world. This is why it has been called the prodigal son. Picture an iceberg and you'll understand the relationship better. The part above the water is the self, which is only a tenth of the total submerged mass likened to the SELF.

Actually, I'll stand by my anology of Deva and Asura. The vedic wars and what happened prior are simply a matter of history to be seen in the memories of Nature and Asura both.

The secrets of reincarnatuon's design lays there. Karma's secrets lay with the Goddess QuanYin for that matter, though one should not mistake her disciples for the original. They work in her name as QuanYin.

You do not appear to have experienced the numinous and mystical - contact with the Divine Self. Just one drop of THAT is enough to get and galvanize your whole attention [= love] and win your wholehearted devotion too. Trust me, nothing can come close or measure up to it. Nothing, absolutely nothing, can ever take its place. And yes, it's something to die for!

Eloquently put,

I know that "taste" but will have nothing to do with it.

The Universe was built from the Elemental ground up, not from above as is general understood. To build the heights of spirituality has been at a tremendous cost of suffering and Beings left behind by the comparative few. At least that is how I see things around me from observation.

I'll not go to those hieghts, I'll stay with my friends, here there is caring.

My apologies for my stance and terse manner. I don't mean any harm towards the higher and the masters, saints and above, just a little respect and consideration for those discarded and culled in the pursuits of human evolution.

If humanity's history on earth is calculated, it is five decimal places of one percent of the total life. I count both the seen and unseen life.

Yet humanity has almost destroyed this world more then once and may do so again with it's toys.

Anyway, that is just how I see things. Like I said, I simply think upstairs should be more considerate.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Glad to hear from you... good day! Am glad too that you've got quite a fair bit off your chest. Cheers to that - the unburdening of the past, but I'd like to add this too: start again OK, this time on a new, fresh footing. As I said earlier, bad experiences are always instructive. Years ago I had this arrogant boss who did some nasty thing to me which caused me to resign. But I simply applied this spiritual principle and mentally thanked her, as well as sending her my best wishes. Guess what? Years later one nite, I had this dream - she paid me a visit and cheerfully invited me to lunch with her! This time round she was a very different person - friendly, amiable... wow, what a transformation!

My guess is that you met the wrong folks in the inner world. There are many, many such fake or misguided groups in new age circles. The are umpteen astral nasties masquerading as gods and goddesses and "half past six masters". Oh yes, the spiritual glam and glitter from the so-called "ascended masters" who promise much and promote false hopes, punishing, as it were, the already-burdened denizens of earth. That's why during this world crisis period, it's best to stick to the conventional five religions once gifted to the world and beware of the Sirens and Circe of Greek mythos. The situation is so bad that the Big Chief himself/herself has descended to save the tottering planet.

A strange thing happened while I was typing out the last two sentences of the above paragraph. My PC suddenly hanged, forcing me to reboot. I thought whatever I wrote would be lost as there was no way I could have saved the stuff, and the weird thing was that it came at the very point when I cautioned about the glam and glitter of the questionable chanellers, channelings, channeled messages going on in new age circles.

Then I rebooted the PC and got back to the ATS page. Thankfully I found that what I typed was still there, save for a few missing words in the last sentence... I get this odd feeling that they are still tracking you, despite your decision to break off, and that they are also trying to prevent you from getting help, light and else from true lightbearers.

When I first read what you wrote... I said to myself 'what the heck was that?' Frankly, I wasn't going to respond. The textual stuff I typed out in the last post actually "wrote themselves into my mind the previous night when I was asleep in bed and it even continued until the time I got off from bed". It was hanging around in my head as if urging me to transfer them to you...

My suggestion now is this: could you send them positive thoughts, well wishes which will help to uplift them. That way, the gap will close and enable you to break free and exit the loop. The more one resists, the more force one generates, which will then attract and bring them right back to your doorstep! More later. Take care.

a reply to: Rextiberius

AHH, it's okay. The time for secrets is over in world affairs.

Honestly, people have been trying to get me to see the "light" for quite some time. And I have heard a great many reasons why I must be "wrong". But I have played this game for a long time now and I am happy to be fighting for what I believe is right. Even if I do ruffle a few holy feathers along the way.

The spiritual worlds are fine if that is where people wish to be. But they are not the be all and end all.

Thanks for taking the time to write, but for me the words of the Bard ring truest;

There are more wonders between heaven and earth, Horatio, then dreamt of in your philosophies.

Perhaps you might see me out there one day.

a reply to: Rextiberius

Then I rebooted the PC and got back to the ATS page. Thankfully I found that what I typed was still there, save for a few missing words in the last sentence... I get this odd feeling that they are still tracking you, despite your decision to break off, and that they are also trying to prevent you from getting help, light and else from true lightbearers.

Actually I get tracked a lot by quite a few different quarters. I just notice them. Some are just interested in where I go. Afterlife Rosicrucians for one. If I go back to a "astral" location a few days later, they're there checking things out. But they are interested in ancient "artifacts". Plenty of those out there left over from the distant past. Mostly I destroy those "artifacts" to stop someone finding them and putting it into practice. Same with the containers of knowledge, erase. Though there are huge libraries from pre-human days that I'm not going to erase.

The living "artifacts" I take with me and find somewhere safe for them to live.

This world was a different place before humanity came here

By the way, I just have a knack for being able to go where ever I want to. It upsets "people", but if there is a "fense" around it I generally stay away.

Doing that stuff is why I get followed

Maybe why they keep trying even though I prefer growing fruit trees in my garden to the spiritual work. Nature Spirits are much more fun.

I just wish Upstairs would leave me alone.


Edit:

I get this odd feeling that they are still tracking you, despite your decision to break off, and that they are also trying to prevent you from getting help, light and else from true lightbearers.

Not quite, but close.

The ones that are helping me from getting "help, light and else from true lightbearers" are the "artifacts" at my asking.

They don't want to be controlled by anyone; black white or brindle. And I agree with them, they should be free unlike in the past.

Upstairs does not, or does not want to, understand that.

And not just light-sidders, dark-siders too.

That is why we are in conflict.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Hmm, The Bard = W. Shakespeare = Francis Bacon = St Germain.

So you are back in that GWB loop! How magnetic the spell is, no?

No, I'm making any judgment here... I'm aware that you broke away from them because it is the/your light that precisely enabled you to realize what you were in. Ya, one should always think for oneself instead of depending on others.

Hmm, an Aquarian / Libran trait.

And in the quest, one will need to continue till one arrives at the Root/Source:

------ > St Germain ------ >God Playing the Fool [personality, ego, i ] ----- > We [Universal Oneness] ----- >

------ >S/he [Divine SELF, TAT] [Potentiality Unlimited, Shunyata/Nirvana].

So the probe of "Who am I ?" "Know Thyself" are valid probes, irrespectitve of which philosophy, path & methodology one may choose to adhere to, probes that enable one to play or unravel the cosmic game of identity. Learning to unmask the intermediate ID's is a requisite task, ya, like peeling the onion, layer by layer.

Dwelling in the unimaginably-beautiful playgrounds undreamt of and found between heaven and earth, as exclaimed by the Bard, are diversions on the side, and there are oodles of these lay-bys or tea breaks at every level to sidetrack, tempt and enthrall the quester. But the diversions and sidetracking contain worthy teaching points and lessons. Those who have the single-pointed spirit of a warrior will eventually succeed despite the path winding "UPHILL all the way", as taught by the H P Blavatsky.

It is this self-same "Identity Game" spoken of by the late SMN who succeeded in playing the game right to the end. His utterance is noteworthy:

SMN: “The whole universe is my stage. I not only act but also construct the stage and the equipment. I write the script and direct the actors. Yes, I am the one actor acting the roles of millions of people and what is more, this show never ends! The script is being continuously written; new roles are being conceived; new settings are being propped up for many different situations. Am I not a wonderful actor, director, producer?

The truth however is this: every one of you can say the same thing about himself/herself. But it is ironic indeed that once you are really able to feel with deep conviction that this is so, the show is over for you! Can you perceive that it is only you that is acting the role of every character in the world? Or, will you confine yourself to the limited one-bit role that you have assigned to yourself and live and die in that petty role?” - SNM

Oh, here's that popular quote from the Bard for comparison:

All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts. - Shakespeare

The Blessed Bard takes the play even further by declaring the universe as a mental construct:

"The whole universe is but one's imagination.
All in all is but a shadow-show of one's own mind." - Shakespeare

Note the essentially-similar conclusions arrived at by two unrelated individuals from two different time frames.

Even contemporary scientists too, esp. those from Japan, have arrived at a similar conclusion: the universe is a holographic projection, with one critical difference though for they don't know precisely WHO is the one that's projecting the hologram. Yet, some intuitive Zenists do and they celebrate the flash point, eureka moment, with bellyache laughter.

a reply to: Rextiberius

Hmm, The Bard = W. Shakespeare = Francis Bacon = St Germain.

From memory the Rosicrucians count Bacon as one of their own.

I like that quote because it defies conventional closed thinking. That is to say; ". . . more wonders then dreamt of in your philosophies." indicates an acknowledgement that there is more to this world then what lays in philosophy which of course includes religeous thinking. Personally, I would include theology in that within religeous thinking.

I've never met the God of modern western religeon, so I can't say such a thing exists. Of course, conversely, I cannot say such a thing does not exist either for that matter.

To me Shakespeare is indicating that "God" is finite which fits with my observations. I use the term relative positioning to suggest that if one positions oneself within an organisation then the world is defined by the organisation. Conversely, if one positions oneself outside said organisation then one can perceive the organisation as a limited thing.

Relative positioning is just a survival skill for venturing into the unseen world. There are critters and ideologies whose minds can literally swallow the unwarry.

So you are back in that GWB loop! How magnetic the spell is, no?

The GWB (Great White Brotherhood) is a problem for me, and "yes" I told them to, shall we say; "get lost" on many occasions. Truth be told I use terminology that would be considered obscene.

But a "loop"? Well no, not a loop. I act independently from them. They just choose to keep pursuing something they shouldn't.

Magnetic spell? Well if your refering to glamour in the occult terminology of Theosophy then I suggest that is something that is simply a trap for aspirants. Behind that glamour are people who have been dead so long they have forgotten what it is like to be alive.

I love the fairies and "Asura", of those the wood-nymphs are wonderfully adept with glamour. Far more then the GWB. Combined with the wonderfully cheeky sense of humour wood-nymphs are a training ground in themselves when it comes to the language of appearence. A sense of humour is neccessary, plus one shouldn't take oneself seriously or you will feel the brunt of their humour.

No, I'm making any judgment here... I'm aware that you broke away from them because it is the/your light that precisely enabled you to realize what you were in. Ya, one should always think for oneself instead of depending on others.

In a way. But it is actually simply survival when the GWB goes all out.

Your right about decisions for oneself. I have things to achieve and will continue fighting both heaven and hell to achieve those goals, and anyone in between for that matter. Have been anyways for nearly a decade.

Oh and actually, I'm a cancerian . . . . .

I talk a lot about uncommon knowledge, but that is because I think the time for secrets is over. Especially for the occultists and others who depend on secrecy in order to hold on to power.

Omelettes, something about breaking eggs I enjoy (wink)

a reply to: Rextiberius


Hmm, hmmm, hmmmm . . .

And in the quest, one will need to continue till one arrives at the Root/Source:

------ > St Germain ------ >God Playing the Fool [personality, ego, i ] ----- > We [Universal Oneness] ----- >

------ >S/he [Divine SELF, TAT] [Potentiality Unlimited, Shunyata/Nirvana].

Hmmm, Honestly, I think that this is a human thing esentially.

Universal Consciousness, I understand the concept yet it seems akin to collective consciousness.

The unseen Beings of the Natural world, from what I can observe and understand are hierarchial in their consciousness. That is to do with how these Beings reproduce. That is asexual reproduction where like the cell division of biology, a Being will divide her awareness into separate selves which are identical child versions of herself. Mom then "steps back" in their words.

Mom will generally divide into six or so identical child versions of herself complete with ancestral memories going back to before the earth even existed. Eventually they have children and so on.

One might call that hierarchial consciousness

The other way it is done is networked consciousness. That is where Beings (and the physical human body can do this too) creates what I call interactive shared closed spaces or to be more accurate; interactive shared dreams.

I have seen this in Beings that have a more human-ish subtle anatomy that includes spines and nervous systems. The interactive shared dreams appear along the spine as spheres. Two or more Beings can share a single sphere. One sphere in many places at once. Ordinary humans have these too.

So two types of consciousness(?) or awareness(?) that are normal in the scheme of things.

Who is SMN? Not heard of that acronym before.

Anyway, between SMN, and humans, particularly those who adopt the western logics invented by the Greek philosophers and intellectualism in general, well, honestly I think they simply over think things.

Even contemporary scientists too, esp. those from Japan, have arrived at a similar conclusion: the universe is a holographic projection, with one critical difference though for they don't know precisely WHO is the one that's projecting the hologram. Yet, some intuitive Zenists do and they celebrate the flash point, eureka moment, with bellyache laughter.

Two suggestions there.

. . . . and this is just my educated guesses to where I would go hunting . . . .

Certain "intellegent sentiences" use a tactic similar to the concept of an egregor towards humanity.
The idea is to create a "mind", perhaps one could use the term "world". That "world" could be called a "honey pot" as in the computer programs that mimic an unprotected computer server in order to entice hackers into a trap.

There is something about it that is similar to the shared interactive dreams I mentioned above. Where the shared interactive dreams I am familiar with are generally on the "level" of the sympathetic nervous system. I think it entirely possible to engineer one suited to so called "higher" perception. I often think this is the origin of the "holographic universe", can't say for sure. I just get disturbed by this concept. "The matrix view" tastes like a trap to me.

The second place I would suggest are what could be called ancient artificial intellegences. They are not programmed simulations as such. They are (originally) organic based life engineered Beings. My crude understanding is that a computer can only do what it is programmed to do. To get past this limitation the ancients(?) used what I call slice, dice and splice technology on living organic Beings to create designer organic machines who can think for themselves.

Many of those are vast intellegences and are still around.

If the ancients learned the secrets of creating life and grew organic machines, where do the machines go when they die?

They come in different flavours by the way, mostly nice ones, but an acquired taste never the less.

I would suggest that the holographic universe / computer simulation idea may be exactly that. A holographic simulation. But that does not neccessarily mean that the simulation is everything. It would be everything if you were unaware of where you were.

I base my thinking on having once been swallowed by the mind of a large black astral(?) worm of a type that sometimes inhabits disused chimneys. That was very much like being in a blank hologram, or a simulation where nothing happened. Getting out was the challenge.

The secret lays in relative positioning.

This is fun

footnote

A bit off topic, but I thought I'd post an example of an egregor to round off the mind insights.

ATS has a mind, an egregor.

The ATS egregor is stand alone and not "enslouled". It simply grew with ATS and is coloured by the posters and readers thought-feelings.

Afterlife people from various groups tend to it to stop the egregor becomming too unbalanced. They also look into the ATS egregor to follow "subjects of interest".

In a nutshell; the ATS egregor is a crystal ball that afterlife people use to keep an eye on things.

ATS has both physical readers and afterlife readers. Afterlife readers outnumber physical readers two to one.

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: Rextiberius

Yep, exactly.

Thus cloning is reproductively speaking, doomed to fail.

Perhaps one might get some very degraded "soul" who is willing to live at all costs.

I would think that those who "capture" souls(?) would create Beings outside of karma which would be a big problem.

With th eright tech we can transplant our own souls into the empty shell body. Or with a body thats gone brain dead and their spirit is absent.

a reply to: yuppa

With th eright tech we can transplant our own souls into the empty shell body. Or with a body thats gone brain dead and their spirit is absent.

Yep, you can. I don't think you need the tech. Just know-how.

I think, like most things, you are going to get trouble from vested interests. Those who oversee reincarnation for instance. "Accidents".

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: yuppa

With th eright tech we can transplant our own souls into the empty shell body. Or with a body thats gone brain dead and their spirit is absent.

Yep, you can. I don't think you need the tech. Just know-how.

I think, like most things, you are going to get trouble from vested interests. Those who oversee reincarnation for instance. "Accidents".

The reapers association,and the reincarnation bureu i believe they are called jokingly. got to have a good reason to go back,and it cant be a world altering event. Short lifespan as well.

With the amount of $ that's been mishandled and gone mysteriously missing, I wouldn't doubt if they had a whole army underground just waiting. Seriously think about it. Were talking about Billions here and that's not including what NASA gets from tax payers. Where the hell does it go?

a reply to: yuppa

The reapers association,and the reincarnation bureu i believe they are called jokingly. got to have a good reason to go back,and it cant be a world altering event. Short lifespan as well.

The Reincarnation Bureau - I like that, fits them to a tee.

Just my take on the situation here:

Before religeon spread accross the world, people could potentially come and go as they pleased. Then the "bureaucracy" stepped in and brought "order" and introduced a system called Reincarnation. As civilisation became modern, it became harder to come and go. Then the state introduced the idea that births and deaths should be registered making it hard to "appear" and live here for a time. Nowadays, if someone wasn't born here in the standard manner, they would have to live in hiding. No decent job, no driver's license, no getting married, if the authorities picked them up accidentally, they would rot in a detention center or get deported.


I have noticed that some people just have one life. Others more, some get the same life over and over. Military, bureaucracy, clergy royalty and some others. Like they are being trained repetitively. There seems a few that think this world is a holiday resort.

Yep pretty well controlled.

I understand reincarnation came first then karma was introduced as a control dynamic.

A lot of dark secrets there, I'm not game to go look there yet.

"Going back" makes my head spin if I try and wrap my brain around it. I'm afraid my mind is too linear in how it looks at time. Other Beings memories of the past is about the most complex way I can cope when it comes to time : )

Maybe something I don't understand.

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: yuppa

The reapers association,and the reincarnation bureu i believe they are called jokingly. got to have a good reason to go back,and it cant be a world altering event. Short lifespan as well.

The Reincarnation Bureau - I like that, fits them to a tee.

Just my take on the situation here:

Before religeon spread accross the world, people could potentially come and go as they pleased. Then the "bureaucracy" stepped in and brought "order" and introduced a system called Reincarnation. As civilisation became modern, it became harder to come and go. Then the state introduced the idea that births and deaths should be registered making it hard to "appear" and live here for a time. Nowadays, if someone wasn't born here in the standard manner, they would have to live in hiding. No decent job, no driver's license, no getting married, if the authorities picked them up accidentally, they would rot in a detention center or get deported.


I have noticed that some people just have one life. Others more, some get the same life over and over. Military, bureaucracy, clergy royalty and some others. Like they are being trained repetitively. There seems a few that think this world is a holiday resort.

Yep pretty well controlled.

I understand reincarnation came first then karma was introduced as a control dynamic.

A lot of dark secrets there, I'm not game to go look there yet.

"Going back" makes my head spin if I try and wrap my brain around it. I'm afraid my mind is too linear in how it looks at time. Other Beings memories of the past is about the most complex way I can cope when it comes to time : )

Maybe something I don't understand.

Well going back was..a hard decision as you may know. See this body/I had a seizure,and was basically dead for a few minutes. From what I am told my personality changed drastically. Makes sense. I was confused for a long time. a side effect of a return trip btw. Since our spirits are energy its possible fo rus to travel backwards or fowards if we have a anchor point.

but yeah you are spot on about the Agency. Its constnatly growing in size as well. when we die we get jobs most likely in said organization prolly.

remember the movie RIPD? Isnt it funny how art reflects life at times?

a reply to: yuppa

Have you heard me describe how Beings in the unseen world reproduce asexually through division?

Now humans have a body and indwelling "spirit or soul".

The indweller is from the unseen world.

The indweller reproduces through division.

The body reproduces sexually.

When the indweller reproduces, it is into a few identical child versions of itself.

The parent then "steps back".

Picture a hierarchy of Beings.

Some(?) of them are born here as ordinary human beings.

Now if an ancestor wanted to intervene to save a descendant such as a grandchild. It can take over in a life within its hierarchy.

I am taking about ordinary humans here.

There is a very old science, the science of possession. Reincarnation is a part of that ancient science.

Understand?

By the way,

Someone is looking over your shoulder while you read, has been for quite a while . . . .

She said it was okay to say that.

edit: Now this implies that the unseen beings are sexless. Yet they are essentially feminine.

If two Beings want to deepen their friendship, they could be born into a sexual world as boy and girl and deepen their friendship in ways they could never do otherwise.

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: yuppa

Have you heard me describe how Beings in the unseen world reproduce asexually through division?

Now humans have a body and indwelling "spirit or soul".

The indweller is from the unseen world.

The indweller reproduces through division.

The body reproduces sexually.

When the indweller reproduces, it is into a few identical child versions of itself.

The parent then "steps back".

Picture a hierarchy of Beings.

Some(?) of them are born here as ordinary human beings.

Now if an ancestor wanted to intervene to save a descendant such as a grandchild. It can take over in a life within its hierarchy.

I am taking about ordinary humans here.

There is a very old science, the science of possession. Reincarnation is a part of that ancient science.

Understand?

By the way,

Someone is looking over your shoulder while you read, has been for quite a while . . . .

She said it was okay to say that.

edit: Now this implies that the unseen beings are sexless. Yet they are essentially feminine.

If two Beings want to deepen their friendship, they could be born into a sexual world as boy and girl and deepen their friendship in ways they could never do otherwise.

So my soul currently residing is a copy of my future self stepping in while the other part sleeps or moved on right? then when this incarnation passes on it will be added back to th eoriginal so as to prevent memory loss so to speak? Sort of Like im remote controlling this self.

I know she knows i wish we could both re ignite our love life as we had before. I imagine her rolling her eyes sometimes when i talk about that stuff. dont want to go into too mch detail since im getting cchill down my spine. lol. Either she wants me to hush or shes teasing me .

Im glad that someone is lookin gover my shoulder. I wish i could return the favor right now,but one day I will.

Yeah I remember you saying something about division. IS that what my future self did to make my copy?

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So my soul currently residing is a copy of my future self stepping in while the other part sleeps or moved on right? then when this incarnation passes on it will be added back to th eoriginal so as to prevent memory loss so to speak? Sort of Like im remote controlling this self.

I dunno the details, the Reincarnation Bureau seems to like keeping the details to themselves. And non-linear time just makes my head spin.

"Tell him this Albert, look inside yourself for the details of that."

I know she knows i wish we could both re ignite our love life as we had before. I imagine her rolling her eyes sometimes when i talk about that stuff. dont want to go into too mch detail since im getting cchill down my spine. lol. Either she wants me to hush or shes teasing me .

Heh, heh, heh, heh.

Maybe just letting you know she's right there.

My human girl is right there too, so close I could simply touch her, but do you think I can? No.

It's frustrating I know.

I have patience, and "move on" as the do-gooders say, just gets the response "get stuffed, I'll do what I want."

Im glad that someone is lookin gover my shoulder. I wish i could return the favor right now,but one day I will.

Exactly my thoughts too.

Yeah I remember you saying something about division. IS that what my future self did to make my copy?

Stuffed if I know, maybe . . . .

I would have to have been there to know, I wasn't.

I wouldn't presume "copy" either.

Although the word "assemble" might ring true? Does for me in my own case.

The best I can make out of time is that it flows like water in the landscape. Just like water in the landscape, there are rapids, strong currents, slowly circulating lakes, rivers and streams, even oceans.

Moving into and out of currents of different speeds just confused me when I try to use logic to understand it.

Stupid logic . . .

The Waters of Time

That's just me trying to understand something that is probably deceptively simple.

The selves created by reproductive division don't disappear or die, though the "girl" who introduced me to "our" little girls, told me she just "steps back" as did her mom and the mom before. Yet the moms are still there, just watching the children play as it were.

Except that happens very slowly by our standards.

"She" is a preditor in the scheme of things, I learned a lot while in her care.

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Well I feel like im all here,so maybe it is me and my past self is currently one step behind as your girl explained. People can have Multiple personalities so its possible.

Oh i know all about patience. This body has never had a consumated relationship lol. And the river of time can sometimes flow backwards just like a real river. Or it can be directed other places too.

Yes time makes my head hurt too. lol.

Multiple instances of a soul in multiple dimensions and multiple times and places. and they are all connected. try thinking of all the permutations of that if you want a true headache.