Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

originally posted by: anonfamily
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

What is your opinion of this video:

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It starts with a gun full auto, then at .05 seconds you hear another gun shooting two 4 round bursts while the other gun is still going full auto. If the sound from .05 was an echo, or from the gun that starts the video, it wouldn't do four round burst with a pause in the middle. It would exactly match the starting gun rhythm.
I say there were more than one shooters, unless he was shooting with both hands.

I was thinking the second sound is bullets hitting the ground closer to the camera. Louder when closer, and quieter or not heard when farther away. This would happen if the shooter was spraying bullets side to side

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: yuppa

An M-249 SAW sounds nothing like an M-16 (unless you're standing right next to both and then they only sound the same because your ears are ringing). At a distance, like this shooter was, they sound nothing like each other! An M-249 shoots a 7.62mm x 51mm cartridge (or '7.62 NATO round). An M-16 shoots a 5.56mm x 45mm cartridge (5.56 NATO). They're not even close (i.e. .22 caliber vs .30 caliber...and a much larger case on the 7.62 NATO.

M-249s shoot 5.56 the 240B shoots 7.62. I was in the military and connected belts for both. 249 can take an Ar mag too.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I know English is not my first language, but how did you take that meaning out of my statement that: "5.56 is the military issued rounds for the M16. The .223 is the civilian counterpart of the 5.56"

I just said the 5.56 is the military round, and the .223 is the civilian round. For crying out loud people, stop trying to nickpick every statement others make.

Anyway, according to Alex Jones, the "hostage rescue team" said the man did not kill himself, he was shot and killed by the FBI hostage rescue team as he was shooting at LEOs, and that they found Antifa information and photos of a woman from the Middle East in his room.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Not nitpicking. Telling you that .223 is not the only civilian round. More popular? Probably. It sounded like you were saying that a civilian wouldn't have access to a 5.56 rifle or ammunition.

a reply to: AnonymousMoose

No the impact is seldom heard in situations like this. And the sound is different with every shot. What you were hearing was the sonic crack.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: lovebeck

not only that he was a regular there and a millionaire. he get the red carpet when he walks in.

IKR? These folks come out of the woodwork when something happens.

He and his wife/GF were gamblers...They found her players card in the room. He played $100 a hand video poker and she played in slot tourneys. They save the suites for those types of gamblers because they know they'll get their money back in spades, concert or not.

I wish people would just do a little research before going off on these crazy tangents.

After convos with military friends and LEO friends, I'm most interested in learning where he acquired the gun that was used and what that was. I trust their expertise and will know something is up if LEO comes back with "he used an AR15..." That is total BS.

a reply to: Bandulubeast

Yeah M249 shoots 5.56.

originally posted by: anonfamily
A bird said:

This Stephen Paddock guy is a patsy. ISIS was the real shooter(s). There were multiple shooters in the same room, and shooters in a near by room, which is why there are two broken windows and so many guns.

You know how hard it is to get a room at Mandalay when there is a concert of 40k people scheduled? Especially getting a room of your choice that would have a good vantage point of the concert? That is because they didn't get that room, they just walked to the room they wanted, and they held the person staying in that room (Stephen Paddock) at gunpoint while they did their massacre.

As soon as their lookout on the first floor signaled that police have arrived, they shot Stephen Paddock in the head and made it look like a suicide. Then they went to other rooms they were staying in to hide. Now everyone thinks its this lone ranger no good nobody that did it, and the guys that really did it got away free.

Holy #. This just blew my mind.

I had to walk away from the computer.

What is THIS all about?



Thanks in advance.

We still don't know that it was him, who did it.

a reply to: lovebeck

I know the two windows are in the same suite, that supports what I said that multiple shooters were in the same room. As for shooters in other rooms, I meant they are staying in another room.


Sorry you are on a conspiracy website. Kindly leave.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Anyway, according to Alex Jones, the "hostage rescue team" said the man did not kill himself, he was shot and killed by the FBI hostage rescue team as he was shooting at LEOs, and that they found Antifa information and photos of a woman from the Middle East in his room.

Alex "any thing for views" Jones isn't a reliable source. He is also claiming that he "predicted" this last week.

a reply to: silo13

I thought those were his two cars and they were found.

There are AR uppers that go on to a standard AR lower that are belt fed and automatic. Fightlite makes one that isn't cheap but this guy seemed to have money. You can also easily convert an AR lower by drilling a hole for an auto sear and milling an extra section of the FCG pocket out. There are also 100 Rd. Dual-Drum magazines available in both Nevada (shooters resident state) or Texas (shooters former resident state). These are all for a 5.56/.223 platform AR rifle.

This from 350 yards while spraying on automatic could cause the mass casualty event from last night, but isn't practical. For example, many hunters don't use 5.56/.223 platform rifles because it isn't considered a "humane kill" due to lack of lethality. This could be why the shooter (admitted heresay on my part) had larger .308 caliber rifles in the room. This could be an LR-308 or AR-10 pattern rifle, or a fully automatic 7.62 AK-style rifle.

I'd be interested to see some authentic pictures of any holes the shooter caused in a wall or something, because a 5.56 and 7.62 cause two very different size holes in a wall, car door, etc. I'd also like to know if anyone has been able to do a round-count based on social media videos to here how many rounds were shot in each interval and what the elapsed time was between them. This would go far to indicate what kind of magazine (or belt, possibly) was used during the attack.

Go onto YouTube and look for user iraqveteran888 and watch his AR meltdown video. He uses both 30 and 60 round magazines on a full auto AR-platform rifle during the video, and both last considerably shorter than the continuous fire I hear in the videos I've watched. On a continuous feed, an AR-pattern rifle barrel or gas tube will explode long before the amount of time this shooter was going off. This leads me to believe this shooter used multiple full auto rifles (which is consistent with reports of number of rifles found in the room) or an offshoot that is substantially harder to acquire.

These rifles are collapsible at the pivot pin (to separate upper and lower) and one could easily fit four or five of them in a standard carry on luggage. If shooter took multiple trips from his car, this would not look suspicious in any way to any passerby, member of hotel staff, or law enforcement official/security.

Here is a video of one of the eyewitnesses who says a woman was "apparently" warning them of the attack. Or at least she was saying to people they were going to die this night.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Not to argue, but you are only partially correct. It is true that the 5.56 NATO round is almost identical to the .223 sporting cartridge. The difference is some of the European bloc firearms would blow primers by striking them too hard, so NATO adopted a standard with a harder primer which everyone could use. So, yes, the NATO cartridge does have it's origins in the military, but it is not exclusively military, it just meets the military spec.

From a loading perspective, both cartridges are for all intents and purposes identical from the exterior (in terms of size).

Even today, sometimes you will see a firearm chambered for 5.56 NATO blow a .223 primer (because they're softer).

Not to worry, this is a common misunderstanding. It's no big deal, I just thought you might be interested.

originally posted by: silo13

originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: Grambler

All that and EVERY TIME something happens like this (depressing to say that) people always say there are multiple shooters because the scene is chaotic. Then someone online fixates on it and starts trying to make everything fit with what they've already accepted as fact.

I know, I know. It all gets muddles up. But I've listened to the vids and unless he was shooting double handed (not saying he wasn't) it's very hard for me to believe (now) it was one shooter. If I was better at vid editing I'd let you hear what I'm talking about but I'm sure someone else will do it here before I could even learn how to .

I'm not saying there was more than one shooter but dang it - I hear things that say to me - at least two.

And two windows?

Yeah, I'm thinking now at least 2.

Though I have to add, not gunmen/women who know how to use a automatic weapon but still got the horrific job done.

I heard what I assume was a snippet from a press conference this afternoon in which a police spokesperson was saying that two tripods were found in the room. That could explain hearing two guns being fired at the same time. It will be interesting to see the forensics reports from the guns found in the room. Had they all been emptied? Did he save one last bullet for himself? Did he have them fully loaded and stacked on tables with tripods? Perhaps all these questions will be answered for us when the investigation is complete.

I suspect that the "Hammers" mentioned in a police report was a reference to these tripods rather than carpenter's hammers.

a reply to: Domo1

They were saying just now something about someone who might have helped him get those guns into the hotel.

I'm a little in the dark but hopgin someone here will know.

Figures. Walk away from the pute for a sec and wham!

a reply to: silo13

You should have seen how confused I was reading hopgin! Furrowed brow, about to look it up, then OHHHHhhhhhhhhhh! *Sigh*.

I think I heard they found both vehicles near the hotel, so it's sure a possibility.