No doubt that neonicotinoids are killing birds, bees, scientists say

A group of international scientists is meeting Tuesday to try to convince parliamentarians there is no longer any doubt that common agricultural pesticides are toxic chemicals that are killing off honeybees.

Did they finally get to the bottom of it??
To me it seemed like a normal conclusion to think that yes,we are responsible.
What silly humans we are.

It is not just affecting bees but a whole slew of things.

In fact, says Jean-Marc Bonmatin of the French National Centre for Scientific Research, neonicotinoid pesticides kill a lot more than just bees, posing a deadly risk to frogs, common birds, fish and earthworms

This is not the worst part.

Research suggest neonics can affect reproduction, growth and movement for these species, as well as make them more susceptible to disease. Bonmatin, vice-chair of the task force, said evidence from Europe suggests these chemicals don't actually help farmers much.

What is going on here??
For all the threads and questions about what is going on with the declining bee population...its worth a read.

www.cbc.ca...

Doesn't this stuff get into our food supply as well?

originally posted by: DrumsRfun

Bonmatin, vice-chair of the task force, said evidence from Europe suggests these chemicals don't actually help farmers much.

That is the most disgusting line I have ever heard of.

Decades.. we have been placing these chemicals on our food. Causing problems that are beyond comprehension and it doesn't even work for the intended purpose.

Wow.

a reply to: DrumsRfun

Reminds me of the episode of "Black Mirror" on Netflix where humanity had to make bee drones to pollinate.

France had the right idea and banned GMO seeds that roundup built in.

originally posted by: ConscienceZombie

originally posted by: DrumsRfun

Bonmatin, vice-chair of the task force, said evidence from Europe suggests these chemicals don't actually help farmers much.

That is the most disgusting line I have ever heard of.

Decades.. we have been placing these chemicals on our food. Causing problems that are beyond comprehension and it doesn't even work for the intended purpose.

Wow.

I wouldn't even be surprised if it's required in America to protect the investment for corn subsidies.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: ConscienceZombie

originally posted by: DrumsRfun

Bonmatin, vice-chair of the task force, said evidence from Europe suggests these chemicals don't actually help farmers much.

That is the most disgusting line I have ever heard of.

Decades.. we have been placing these chemicals on our food. Causing problems that are beyond comprehension and it doesn't even work for the intended purpose.

Wow.

I wouldn't even be surprised if it's required in America to protect the investment for corn subsidies.

This is absolutely the case. A lot of the corn being planted is for fuel, nothing more. A LOT of evil in this world with this put on the face of it.

a reply to: DrumsRfun

Bonmatin, vice-chair of the task force, said evidence from Europe suggests these chemicals don't actually help farmers much.

www.cbc.ca...

Understatement of the year, we have a winner!
Looks like they were on to something already, like... 3 years ago.

“It is very surprising and very disturbing,” de Kroon said. Water pollution levels of just 20 nanograms of neonicotinoid per litre led to a 30% fall in bird numbers over 10 years, but some water had contamination levels 50 times higher. “That is why it is so disturbing – there is an incredible amount of imidacloprid in the water,” he said. “And it is not likely these effects will be restricted to birds.”

Neonicotinoids linked to recent fall in farmland bird numbers

We need to stop with this crap ASAP.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

hold the phone!

What does the phrase "linked to" actually mean? Does the niconids actually kill birds? Did they experiment on actual birds?

NO NO AND NO

This is doom porn!

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

The doom porn,as you so ignorantly call it,is that bees are dying...that is a FACT!!
Its been documented and is a well known problem.

The source,if you looked at it,is the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation...not a doom porn site.

Since you seem to think you have all the answers,provide me something,other than your opinion that it is bunk??

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

This is like a global warming / climate change argument. Fact of the matter is, we don't need this stuff anymore. At one point it helped the farmers make more money by increasing yield. We don't need more corn, we are already providing government protections on some of these crops (Corn, sugar) that were meant to protect the local farmer. Fact of the matter is most farms are now corporate farms anyway. The local farmer is almost extinct.

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: PublicOpinion

hold the phone!

What does the phrase "linked to" actually mean? Does the niconids actually kill birds? Did they experiment on actual birds?

NO NO AND NO

This is doom porn!

Say that when someone close to you has a unknown ailment.

These chemicals with their atomic makeup. Binds with the atoms of the food (pretty sure you can't wash that off in the sink). Then we devour the food. Those atoms binds with our atoms...
Cancer comes to mind when thinking of this #.

Doom porn.....

Wrong Turn and Hills have Eyes kind of living in our foreseeable future.

a reply to: DrumsRfun

Look up Dibrom. It's "morbid" spelled backwards and for good reason!
Dibrom (aka) Naled

a reply to: ConscienceZombie

Cancer existed BEFORE niconids

references to "unknown ailments" is an emotional appeal and has no place in science.

"atoms binding to atoms"? is that magic? If niconid "atoms" bind to my atoms, then earth "atoms" like heavy metals in dust also bind to my atoms, like cyanide, like arsenic, like radiation..

Like I said - DOOM PORN

There is plenty of research showing that the use of niconids is more beneficial than harmful. We do have more than 8 billion people to feed. crop yield is crucial.

Do you think hunger "atoms" will bind with my atoms and kill me in the near future?

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

So you're saying the EU was easily swayed by doom porn, according to your universe with plenty of nice sauces. Sure. Not.

We do have more than 8 billion people to feed. crop yield is crucial.

Good thing is, you're not a condescending piece of mobilized mud pit... did you even bother to read the articel in the OP?
A lack of efficiency should be of concern for exactly the reason you just brought up, it's "without doubt" crucial to actually catch that drift.

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks
You seem to forget that killing off the birds and bees is going to destroy food production more than neonics would help produce... it's lose lose and not exaggerated

a reply to: DrumsRfun


We have been poisoning ourselves for decades now, its not so much stupidity than it is greed.


There is massive amounts of evidence to show this, if one is willing to look.

a reply to: DrumsRfun

how about colony callapse?

By the way, its poor form to ask someone to prove a negative. As in prove that niconids do not kill bees. it is not possible to prove a negative. however in this case, the mystery has been solved

Niconids were in use for a decade prior to 2007. No dead bees. 2007, colony collapse begins. However, there is a history of colony collapse that spans that last 120 years (prior to the invention use of niconids).

www.abc.net.au...

mentalfloss.com... (Scientists admit that there is no direct link to niconids)

It was all caused by the varroa virus

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Australia does not yet have a countrywide survey of the state of bee colonies.
...
The Varroa mite has not yet invaded our shores, and in many areas bees can access pesticide-free bushland (although unlike Europe, Australia has not yet banned use of neonicotinoids in agriculture).

www.abc.net.au...

No Varroa in Australia and no survey to mess with, but 10% decline in New Zealand.

Scientists say a widely used pesticide can affect honeybees’ ability to fly, making it harder for foraging bees to find their way home. They published their findings in the journal Scientific Reports.
...
"The honey bee is a highly social organism, so the behavior of thousands of bees are essential for the survival of the colony," co-author James Nieh said in a statement. "We've shown that a sub-lethal dose may lead to a lethal effect on the entire colony."

mentalfloss.com...

The pesticides make them easy targets for all kinds of things, including the Varroa mite. Consequences due to the use of pesticides, I have yet to see that this isn't the case.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Well other than a few quotes of someone's "opinion", you certainly have no proof of it.

We have a history of banning pesticides based on someone's "opinion" (Racheal Carson and her absolutely terrible science implicating DDT with the thinning of bird egg shells) and to date, an estimated 50 million people, mostly woman and children, have died of maleria.

The UN has finally got around to lifting the ban to fight mosquito's in third world countries.

Banning niconids will decrease crop yield. I don't care what anyone's opinion is. I know farmers and farmers do not apply anything that costs money to their fields unless it is proven to increase profit (ie by increasing yield).

We have 7.5 billion people to feed. take away niconids and how many go hungry and how many die?

Be careful what you wish for....you just might get it!