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if the Libra position meant Equinox , then the old original Horoscope would serve exactly the same purpose, and become a star chart. Which might have become degraded to the point where it was used not for navigating a trip, but navigating a persons life.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: anonentity
I've read about the historic skills of Pacific navigators, how they built up their common knowledge of clues like ocean currents, movements of birds, shapes of clouds.
Charts are created by people going to places and bringing back reports of where they have been.
I think the Pacific navigators would have been doing that amongst themselves, gradually exploring, gradually accumulating a community fund of knowledge about their oceans, and so creating their own charts or the mental equivalent of charts.
originally posted by: anonentity
I was having a moment wondering how on earth the Polynesians could travel across the mighty Pacific and end up on any atoll they were heading too. Since their has been a bit of a revival in the ancient Polynesian art of navigation . It seems they used among other things a "Star Compass" Which was orientated east west on the beach before the trip, the Compass was divided into thirty two divisions the divisions pointed to bright stars and constellations.
I noticed that one of the divisions said "Twins" that is two stars that rose together. Since the northern hemisphere horoscope, also has this marker as the "heavenly twins" I checked it out, if the Libra position meant Equinox , then the old original Horoscope would serve exactly the same purpose, and become a star chart.
When you consider how great Egypt became, Trade was essential in this rise.
When a country found areas of rich trade to exploit, they would not be about sharing that knowledge. Because it would injure them economically, so it would have been the same as keeping a state secret today.
However since the power of Egypt declined around 1177 BC and a dark age ensued, where the Greeks lost the ability to write,
could we assume along with the Piri Reis Map and a few others.
That not only was world wide trade practised, that the art of navigating the Oceans lingered on with the Polynesians?
The interesting thing about the timing is that Hawaii was raided by the Tahitians, around the 1177 BC date which they claim to this day, they were left a Star chart which showed the Pacific Islands.
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: anonentity
if the Libra position meant Equinox , then the old original Horoscope would serve exactly the same purpose, and become a star chart. Which might have become degraded to the point where it was used not for navigating a trip, but navigating a persons life.
An interesting hypothesis on the face of it. I wonder if anyone has corroborating evidence.
One problem is that precession would have rendered the compass inaccurate over the years.
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Astyanax
If it was set at the GP at a certain time of the year. .
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Byrd
Polynesians had Tapa cloth, the Tahitians raided Hawaii, around the time the main stream say Polynesia was settled.
It was already settled from Alaska where the oral traditions of Hawaii and Alaskan Indians coincide back to the same bloodlines.
Im suggesting they met some seafarers who had Maps. Then settled the rest of the Pacific, even they say their were people there when, in the likes of New Zealand when they arrived.
I just used Libra as an example, as it seemed the most logical sign to denote an equinox. But my suspicion is that at a certain time of the year, the traditional horoscope would also show the rising and setting of stars that could also be used for navigating.
Since the Piri Reis map shows a longitude line based at Alexandria it seems a logical point to start from.
But since the GP seems to be a mathematical representation of the Northern hemisphere, and the Nile ran by it,it seems that any serious navigation would use it as a geographical marker.
The Maoris say their original home is the Pleiades,
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Byrd
Ulysses couldn't see the Bear constellation from the Med. but its still in the Iliad.
originally posted by: punkinworks10
a reply to: Byrd
The pleides do figure into the mythos of tribes from the west coast of NA.
A paper was published in the last couple of weeks that shows aboriginal australians and ancient greeks did share imagery im some constelations.
I'm thinkin it was on sciencedaily, ill look for it.
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: punkinworks10
a reply to: Byrd
The pleides do figure into the mythos of tribes from the west coast of NA.
A paper was published in the last couple of weeks that shows aboriginal australians and ancient greeks did share imagery im some constelations.
I'm thinkin it was on sciencedaily, ill look for it.
North America, yes. Not South Polynesia.
The Pleiades star cluster – also known as the Seven Sisters or M45 – is visible from virtually every place that humanity inhabits Earth’s globe. It can be seen from as far north as the north pole, and farther south than the southernmost tip of South America