Now what does Trump do?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: nwtrucker

I agree actually. A third party would be just enough to mix things up to get politics moving again. But your idea of a third party is probably unrealistic to what it would look like if it appeared. A third party is more likely to be a mix of moderate liberals and moderate conservatives to make a true moderate party while the Democrat and Republican parties fall into more extreme versions of their political affiliations. Thus, if a third party appeared it would likely not be Trump's ally and would support some liberal causes as well.

I'd say 'centrist' rather than 'moderate'. That's where I generally place Trump even though he's right of center. Trump does hold views that are frowned upon by conservatives. Perhaps he's a 'tweener'. In any event, a third party would outlast the initial founders and that would include Trump, if he was even involved or supported it.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Trump is not centrist in the least. Or at least his administration isn't. His administration has adopted a far right political persona and wants nothing to do with the liberal left. That is as far removed from centrisim as you can be.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: nwtrucker

Trump is not centrist in the least. Or at least his administration isn't. His administration has adopted a far right political persona and wants nothing to do with the liberal left. That is as far removed from centrisim as you can be.

Nonsense. Throwing out phrases like "far right" just shows you are not interested in any real discussion on the subject. Carry on with your propaganda.. You are helping to dig the political graves of democrats. Thanks.

a reply to: UKTruth

"Far right" is a thing in the US. Anti-abortion, anti-legalization of the green, anti-porn, prayer and creationism in schools, etc.

It is part of the any real discussion on american politics

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: nwtrucker

Trump is not centrist in the least. Or at least his administration isn't. His administration has adopted a far right political persona and wants nothing to do with the liberal left. That is as far removed from centrisim as you can be.

Nonsense. Throwing out phrases like "far right" just shows you are not interested in any real discussion on the subject. Carry on with your propaganda.. You are helping to dig the political graves of democrats. Thanks.

Way to jump in on a conversation in the middle without understanding what we were talking about. Great case of foot-in-mouth syndrome.

a reply to: Krazysh0t


In some issues, yes. Non-gov't payment for abortion isn't 'far right'. It's a fairly moderate position. He isn't banning abortion whatsoever. Just the gov't funding of it. Labelling it far right is rhetoric only.

More accurate is the liberal left wants nothing to do with Trump. Not the other way around. His wanting continued coverage for those that can't afford health insurance, a point you raised, isn't far right either. Pretty centrist, actually.

Wanting an end to 'nation building' or democratizing nations isn't far right, either.His meetings with labor leaders is unprecedented from a 'Republican' President. How about his meeting with the Chinese Premier? Neither left or right bothered with that one.

I don't recall Obama or Bush meeting with business CEOs on improving the U.S. economy. Offering a daycare package for single moms is pragmatic, certainly not a 'right issue'.

Still, I agree to the extent that most of his promises lean to the right, but not all. That's why I paint him a right leaning centrist. I really don't believe he's stuck in any political ideology. Left or Right. Just my opinion though.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Krazysh0t


In some issues, yes. Non-gov't payment for abortion isn't 'far right'. It's a fairly moderate position. He isn't banning abortion whatsoever. Just the gov't funding of it. Labelling it far right is rhetoric only.

That is already the case thanks to the Hyde Amendment which has been on the books for MANY years now. So any rhetoric in this regard is just lip service to hide the fact that Trump and his administration is really trying to make abortion illegal altogether, not just prevent the government from funding it.

In any case, any abortion restrictions from the government is ALL right wing desires.

More accurate is the liberal left wants nothing to do with Trump. Not the other way around. His wanting continued coverage for those that can't afford health insurance, a point you raised, isn't far right either. Pretty centrist, actually.

Trump doesn't talk to the Dems about any bills and instead threatens them to fall in line and vote for the bills he wants. Trump is VERY much excluding the Democrats from legal discussions.

Wanting an end to 'nation building' or democratizing nations isn't far right, either.His meetings with labor leaders is unprecedented from a 'Republican' President. How about his meeting with the Chinese Premier? Neither left or right bothered with that one.

Trump has already broken this promise by escalating the Syria situation and deciding to send in more troops into Afghanistan.

I don't recall Obama or Bush meeting with business CEOs on improving the U.S. economy. Offering a daycare package for single moms is pragmatic, certainly not a 'right issue'.

Still, I agree to the extent that most of his promises lean to the right, but not all. That's why I paint him a right leaning centrist. I really don't believe he's stuck in any political ideology. Left or Right. Just my opinion though.

I don't see a single issue that Trump supports that is left leaning which he'd need to have to be a centrist. You cannot call yourself a centrist or a moderate if you don't agree with any liberal positions. So name one.

a reply to: Krazysh0t


There is no promise on Syria he's broken. Period. A retaliation for chemical weapon use that was specifically targeted to a specific base with no further action doesn't violate his over-all promise regarding the ME.

You want to assume what Trump's intentions are on abortion? Go ahead, assume away. I leave that one in the trash bin as left rhetoric. If you had read the full post, I said his offer for a daycare option for single parents isn't left or right. So there's you 'one'. I support that one as well.

What I see in your posts is your still stuck in the left right fight. I trust neither. My goal is the recovery of the U.S. economically, as a nation first and foremost. I have left any loyalties to the Republican Party in the trash bin. That includes the Conservative Movement. Both have been subverted. As has the Democrat party.

Abortion? Gay marriage? Socialized medicine? All should be state issues. That's what the founding father seemed to have intended. It allows the choice to be made by the citizens of each. I am perfectly comfortable with that. I want the U.S. economically and militarily strong. Infrastructure repaired and expanded. People working and achieving their goals in life.

Those are neither right nor left. They are
American goals. That's when this nation was easily the best in the world. I'm not going to agree with every decision Trump makes. Not any President. I will give up a few of my conservative values....IF it means the U.S. is enhanced by that choice. I expect the same from you.

a reply to: nwtrucker

I think Jim Crow Laws proved the FF wrong.

You can say that you don't want to see things as left and right but that doesn't mean the politicians pushing for laws at the federal level are not.

Now Trump will do what every president does, play ball or get JFK'd.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: nwtrucker

I think Jim Crow Laws proved the FF wrong.

You can say that you don't want to see things as left and right but that doesn't mean the politicians pushing for laws at the federal level are not.

Now Trump will do what every president does, play ball or get JFK'd.

You could very well be right.